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Think this is winning " Best Thread of the month " so far.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Here's the gubbins :
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-most-youth-academy-graduates-in-their-squad
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-most-youth-academy-graduates-in-their-squad
Noble Savage
Player Valuation: £25m
The BBC report says our first teamers stay longer at our club than all the other teams players. Over 4 years on average .
Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
They have to score it on something, I wouldn't have a go at it to much!
It will be a lot different in 2 years time I think. Dowell, Walsh, Henen, Kenny are in and around the first team!
Not Ledson though, he is going to go on a downward spiral and end up working in the fan park as chang the elephant
It will be a lot different in 2 years time I think. Dowell, Walsh, Henen, Kenny are in and around the first team!
Not Ledson though, he is going to go on a downward spiral and end up working in the fan park as chang the elephant
Ashtonian
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The best academy is the one that develops the most top tier (prem/champ) players over a sustained period of time.
Don't think its personally anything to go by for simply making pro as any kids that make it past their 16th birthday at a club can make it at a certain level. It would be the amount of players who come out and have top flight careers or close to it that is the yard stick.
Don't think its personally anything to go by for simply making pro as any kids that make it past their 16th birthday at a club can make it at a certain level. It would be the amount of players who come out and have top flight careers or close to it that is the yard stick.
Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
Its a hard one to gage!
As Manchester Citys team is harder to get into then, say Southampton's.
Also certain managers of first teams tend to not trust young players much......(Pulis, Allardyce) whereas other managers try and build around youth (Pochetino, Martinez)
Also some teams have bigger squads then others, if an injury comes in then sometimes a kid takes his place (Southampton used to do this with Taggart, Chambers, Ward Prowse, Reid) a little less now as they have bought a bigger squad.
I think I read somewere that Manchester United have the most players playing in all 4 professional leagues in the country from there academy but very few make it past 5-10 league games for Utd and are moved on
As Manchester Citys team is harder to get into then, say Southampton's.
Also certain managers of first teams tend to not trust young players much......(Pulis, Allardyce) whereas other managers try and build around youth (Pochetino, Martinez)
Also some teams have bigger squads then others, if an injury comes in then sometimes a kid takes his place (Southampton used to do this with Taggart, Chambers, Ward Prowse, Reid) a little less now as they have bought a bigger squad.
I think I read somewere that Manchester United have the most players playing in all 4 professional leagues in the country from there academy but very few make it past 5-10 league games for Utd and are moved on
I notice that although they include both Hibbert and Osman they did not include Rooney.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
seem to be saying theyre only counting players still at the club they came through for some unknown reason
It's difficult to get a reflection of the standard of a club's academy based on a snapshot of current graduates in or around the first team, as it doesn't take into consideration long-term success, the relative difficulty of progressing into different senior squads, international call-ups, and the longevity of a top-level career.
I think the best method would simply be to check how much weed and coke an individual academy graduate has on his person as an indicator of true success: living life to the absolute max. Step forward Baxter and Branchy.
I think the best method would simply be to check how much weed and coke an individual academy graduate has on his person as an indicator of true success: living life to the absolute max. Step forward Baxter and Branchy.
The Cowboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Definitely need to separate the academy from the club to some extent. A lot of academy kids go on to have fulfilling careers away from the parent club. Harry Kane was an Arsenal schoolboy wasn't he?!
You judge the success of an academy by the careers of its products. Whether they play for the parent club is largely moot, unless they were brought into the academy at a later stage due to being a good fit for the U21/first team (eg Stones, Holgate etc). Personally I would take them out of the equation as they were not strictly developed by our academy.
Of course you'd have to look at the level at which the players go on to achieve. If all Everton academy graduates go on to play in League 2 then you'd have to question the standards!
You judge the success of an academy by the careers of its products. Whether they play for the parent club is largely moot, unless they were brought into the academy at a later stage due to being a good fit for the U21/first team (eg Stones, Holgate etc). Personally I would take them out of the equation as they were not strictly developed by our academy.
Of course you'd have to look at the level at which the players go on to achieve. If all Everton academy graduates go on to play in League 2 then you'd have to question the standards!
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