short-term success leads to...?

[Suffolkblue25]

Long time lurker and occasional liker...
I've had a theory for a while.
Basically I think that a manager who has instant success with a team, in the long-term will prove to be a disappointment. Seems to me that, like in the case of Martinez, short-term success was more down to the team left over and the nice mix that this made with their own ideas. The when the team plays the way they want, the team no longer plays as well.
Those who struggle initially, the likes of Ferguson at the start of his Man United tenure, then went on to have successful careers with that team. Same can be said for Klopp across the park, Pochettino at Spurs etc. Hopefully Koemans time here will follow this pattern.
Just wondering if the majority of cases fit this theory?
Looking forward to responses

 

[Goat]

Hmm.

I think it says a lot about the need for patience in the early days, when things arent going right, some managers can come in and make an early impact and then kick on from that. Some managers can join a club thats pretty down and fail to lift the mood and the clouds around the club.

It takes time for a managers methods to shine through, patience is required.

But the other end of the scale is that certain managers simply wont be ever be given a chance, like Moyes at Utd for example, the players deemed him unworthy from day 1 and that was that, im not suggesting he was ever gonna do a good job, but sometimes it just isnt meant to be.

 

[Suffolkblue25]

I definitely agree about the need for patience. I wonder if Moyes had been given time, that he might have made something of the situation. Then again the media hounded him and the club till the board couldn't take it anymore.
Just wondering if there are cases where short-term success has led to long-term prosperity for a team.

 

[Rook]

when martinez-rodgers were at Swans-Wigan they were the only 2 teams in the prem playing that style of football. So the rest of the league considered them mostly harmless. All of a sudden they are at the RS-Everton with a bunch of talent. Plus we had been playing more of a possession game with Moyes the year before (only with zero finishers). It caught the entire league off guard. However the league adjusted (long balls and pressing the midfield) and we didn't.

Likewise LC was the only side playing a counter style with world class pace. Yes a lot of sides play counter but its more of the plodding Pulis ball style. The league got wise to it around Feb when people actually took notice that they might win the league. However Raneri adjusted and they just grinded out 1-0 win after 1-0 win late in the season.

LC was actually pretty smart in the off season. They knew what they did wasn't going to work as well and are trying to change it up. Its just they are getting bashed with the fixture list, the injuries have piled up, and they aren't getting away with physical play defending free kicks. Not to mention its kind of difficult to grind out victories when you lose the best DM in the prem.

Klopp is a very good manager but his style wore thin after a couple seasons in Germany too. That doesn't mean it will (he has money now) but don't be shocked if the rest of the league figures it out.

We actually play kind of like Spurs now. The difference is that we are kind of unbalanced side with plenty of holes. Spurs on the other hand are just solid at every single position.