Shankly's influence

[Pat's Van]

wow, genuinely surprised at the Liverpool love-in going on here.

Not gonna mock it, as I don't know much about Shankly other than he was their black-n-white era manager who turned them from also-rans into the Big Club we know and loathe today.

So surprised the man is getting all this respect from Evertonians...I suppose he must've been really special to deserve that.

A good example of the older brother role Everton play to Liverpool's little brother character - rising above petty rivalry to give credit where it's due, even if knowing we wouldn't get the same respect back.

he stunk of p!ss though, I read it somewhere

 

[malfosse]

More media savvy than many other managers of the time, he said the right things the rs lapped it up. A seminal Brendan Rodgers I suppose.

 

[Pat's Van]

More media savvy than many other managers of the time, he said the right things the rs lapped it up. A seminal Brendan Rodgers I suppose.

I always hear that word. Usually it's describing progressive rock albums from the 70's.

What does "seminal" actually mean ?

 

[BlueAde]

seminal
adjective
1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen.
2. Botany . of or pertaining to seed.
3. having possibilities of future development.
4. highly original and influencing the development of future events: a seminal artist; seminal ideas.

 

[Pat's Van]

seminal
adjective
1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen.

eeeeeh

 

[allezlesbleus]

More media savvy than many other managers of the time, he said the right things the rs lapped it up. A seminal Brendan Rodgers I suppose.

This is certainly part of it, and saw that Europe was going to be big in future or at least saw that it was a way to make their mark in an area we did not have greater success in. Would pull any stunt to win, brilliantly obsessed with getting them in the limelight as part of his mission to get them to overtake us. His resignation was a major shock as was his persona non gratis status at LFC, partly due to paisley's wishes and in part due to hierarchy's desire to avoid the Utd fiasco when busby resigned but hung around and cast shadow over his replacement. Amazing attitude from Everton to have him around us. Too nice for our own good in the mid 70s but it is funny to be able to goad them that he died a blue!!

 

[Pat's Van]

the very epitome of a man whose mouth was bigger than his achievements

 

[mrb85]

If Shankly hadnt taken that job, they would be Tranmere.

Correct. And stopping that happening was his true achievement. He won his fair share of trophies but Paisley's achievements were far greater. But he raised the whole profile and status of the club.

He was of course barking mad and said the most ridiculous things, so biased and blinkered that he'd make Wenger sound like the epitomy of objectivity. Style-wise, the sides he built were more Moyes than Martinez. Indeed the image he built of the club was akin to that of the peoples club. We were the rich club, playing in a palatial stadium capable of holding 68,000, the best in the country, we were one of the top 2 or 3 clubs in the country, and with a far richer history. They were playing in a lower division, in a smaller and far inferior and facility-less stadium (capacity 52,000 with seating on only two sides). We had by some way the majority of support in the city (a time when the city had a population of over 850,000 compared to the current 500,000 or so). They'd had their moments in winning a few leagues. But one illustrative reflection of their inferiority to Everton and their relative standing within English football generally was the fact that they didn't win the FA Cup until 1965! But what he achieved relatively quickly, given what he took on, was remarkable. And suddenly we had a challenge on our hands.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I'll tell you how good he was, I was born in 1958 and lived through our glorious 60s period "Golden Vision", "Holy Trinity" etc yet my abiding memory of that time is Shanks and LFC outdoing us.

The poisonous dwarf's propaganda worked then because as far as I know things were more or less even from the sixties up to around 1972.

 

[steken1]

A old fella who used to come in a gym I worked at had driven the coach for us for a few years and them for 12 or more. He supported them.

He was a good friend of Bill Shanklys.

The contrast between Catterick and Shankly couldn't be more stark, according to him. That much is obvious anyway. Clearly history doesn't pay Harry Catterick the respect he deserves for building two great sides. Not many have done that.

Shankly was a giant of a man. The type who changes everything by force of personality. Everything that's gone since goes back to him.

It's people like him, and others, that make me believe we can be champions again, even without money.

 

[ToffeeDan]

He bigged up LFC without being particularly noxious - the modern trend to revisit his words and use them out of context kind of sets a bad tone - and for those who can't remember he paid this compliment of Dixie Dean: "Dixie was the greatest centre forward there will ever be. His record of goalscoring is the most amazing thing under the sun. He belongs in the company of the supremely great like Beethoven, Shakespeare and Rembrandt."

 

[peteblue]

Shankly was good but he's no Brendan like........