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Sexual Abuse in Football

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BlueLlama

10/11/17 TWAIN CRUSH DAY
Some horrible details coming out now with 4 police forces now investigating sexual offences committed within football. I suppose it was only a matter of time that sport would get looked at after music and TV have been shown to be full of abusers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38107910

Well done to the guys with the courage to come forward and speak out. I suspect there are many more and that this will spiral out.

The real issues coming out now are about how else knew? Did staff/ players at Crewe and the other clubs know that abuse was going on under theri watch? If so was it ignored or were others involved too?

Please remember libel laws and that statisically there will probably be several site users who have suffered similar abuse.
 

A board member of Crewe has told teh GUardian that compliants were made in relation to Barry Bennel abusing a youth player and they did nothing.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/25/crewe-barry-bennell-former-board-member

Crewe Alexandra, the club most heavily implicated in the Barry Bennell case, were warned he had sexually abused one of his junior footballers but allowed the man who turned out to be a serial paedophile to stay at the club for a number of years, the Guardian has been told.

Bennell was the subject of a top-level meeting in the late 1980s but was kept in his job despite the chairman at the time, Norman Rowlinson, recommending at one point that the club “get him out” because of growing suspicions about his behaviour.

Hamilton Smith, who was on the board from 1986 to early 1990, has told this newspaper he was so concerned at the time he asked for specially convened talks about concerns over Bennell’s relationship with young boys at the club and, specifically, to inform his colleagues that someone had marched over to him at a junior football match to allege that a friend’s son had been abused.

Smith recalls that the talks were held at Rowlinson’s house and the chairman was so disturbed by what he heard he suggested, at first, that the vice-chairman, John Bowler, should instruct the manager, Dario Gradi, to find a new youth-team coach, before an agreement was eventually reached that Bennell should be kept on but not left alone with boys and stopped from arranging overnight stays.

Gradi, according to Smith, was not present but he was there the next day at a follow-up meeting, attended by two other directors, in the manager’s office and made it clear he did not have any problem with Bennell – something he repeated in the 1996 Dispatches documentary when he said there was never “any cause for concern” about boys staying with the youth-team coach.

Bennell was finally arrested in Florida in 1992 after taking another junior team on tour and Smith has told the Guardian he believes it would be wrong for Crewe to say they were not warned about, and did not discuss at length, a man the American authorities later described as having “almost an insatiable appetite” for young boys.

“I’m incredibly angry the club continue to refute that they knew anything about suspicions of Bennell’s activities,” he said. “This was discussed at the club’s top level and, as much as I tried to resolve this, regrettably I couldn’t. I dread to think how many victims there are, and my heart goes out to them.”

Smith, described by Andy Woodward, one of Bennell’s victims, as “one of the people at Crewe who can hold their head high,” left the club shortly afterwards because of seriously deteriorating health but has been following the Bennell story with growing dismay. “Whatever I have been through is nothing compared what those poor boys went through,” he said.

Some of his fellow directors, he said, had argued it was difficult to condemn Bennell on the word of a member of the public who had not passed on his details or lodged an official complaint. Smith, however, says he was already uneasy because he had heard a member of staff expressing concerns about Bennell’s relationship with young boys.

Smith was also troubled by the amount of rumour and innuendo within Crewe and the surrounding area and in the same discussions – not an official, minuted board meeting – he says he explained to Rowlinson what he had heard. Rowlinson, who had been chairman since 1964, asked for clarification about the precise nature of what was being alleged.

After leaving the club, Smith was still so concerned about the set-up at Crewe he says he spoke about it on several occasions with Gwyneth Dunwoody, then the Crewe MP. In April 2001, he says he arranged to meet Tony Pickerin, the FA’s head of education and child protection, at Lilleshall and requested a wide-reaching investigation into the care of children at Gresty Road as well as asking about possible compensation for Bennell’s abuse victims.

Three months later, having not had a response, he contacted the FA, believing the delay meant a long, complex inquiry must be underway. After requesting an update a three-line letter, seen by the Guardian, arrived in the next few days from Pickerin saying the FA had “investigated the issues and is satisfied that there is no case to answer.”

Smith said: “My first thought was: ‘Well, what have you investigated, and who have you investigated?’”

Rowlinson, who died in 2006 aged 83, became sufficiently concerned about Bennell, a man he described as a “Pied Piper figure” with “a magnetic attraction with boys”, he contacted Manchester City, where they, too, had received a complaint about Bennell bringing boys into his room late at night.

Bennell, who has served three prison sentences, totalling 15 years, since 1994 for multiple offences committed against boys, had previously worked with junior teams affiliated to City, including Whitehill FC, where he targeted the 11-year-old David White, a future England international.

The complaint to City came from a parent but Ken Barnes, the club’s former head scout, told Dispatches the incident was “something of nothing” and nothing more than a “bit irresponsible”. Chris Muir, one of the club’s directors, told the same documentary that Bennell was “looked upon as a fellow that wasn’t right”, adding that “football allowed him to stay because he was producing the goods.”

Crewe have declined to comment. The FA, meanwhile, has said it is treating all the stories surround the entire case with utmost seriousness, citing the comments of the chairman, Greg Clarke, earlier in the week. City stated on Thursday they were “undertaking a thorough investigation of any past links he (Bennell) might have had with the organisation.”
 

It's difficult to blame the clubs - back before CRB checks (which I know are said to be imperfect) but most of these would have happened out of sight of the clubs (whose direct involvement with lads under 16 was much less than nowadays where there is big investments in the junior teams which are playing in the clubs' names) and normally people take others on trust unless significant accusations and proof is brought to their attention. It's such a difficult area - for the kids most of all of course - this is just like all the other disgusting situations (Savile etc) - no one knows for sure and everyone who suffers is too frightened to talk and innuendo isn't enough to make people suspect. If there really was hard evidence in the hands of the clubs etc then they deserve all the sh*t that's coming their way for letting it happen without acting appropriately - but, for now, I don't think we can lay the blame at the door of any/some/all the clubs.
 
It's difficult to blame the clubs - back before CRB checks (which I know are said to be imperfect) but most of these would have happened out of sight of the clubs (whose direct involvement with lads under 16 was much less than nowadays where there is big investments in the junior teams which are playing in the clubs' names) and normally people take others on trust unless significant accusations and proof is brought to their attention. It's such a difficult area - for the kids most of all of course - this is just like all the other disgusting situations (Savile etc) - no one knows for sure and everyone who suffers is too frightened to talk and innuendo isn't enough to make people suspect. If there really was hard evidence in the hands of the clubs etc then they deserve all the sh*t that's coming their way for letting it happen without acting appropriately - but, for now, I don't think we can lay the blame at the door of any/some/all the clubs.
Let's see how this pans out before we absolve the clubs of blame. Already talk of a cover up, including the FA.
 
The thing with a CRB check is that for it to flag up you have to be on the radar i.e have some sort of conviction/soft intelligence about you already. If you've never been caught- like Jimmy Saville then nothing will show up on the check.

I think this is heart-breaking and have so much respect for those who have come forward.

A bit off topic but if you want to see the effect this kind of thing has on people even years later, watch a programme called Chosen on you tube. It's so sad. I think it was either a Channel 4 thing or Panorama and is about abuse at a public school.
 

Brave chap, just shows you just need one person to come forward for others to follow

Hopefully get people help and prevent this happening again
 
Some horrible details coming out now with 4 police forces now investigating sexual offences committed within football. I suppose it was only a matter of time that sport would get looked at after music and TV have been shown to be full of abusers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38107910

Well done to the guys with the courage to come forward and speak out. I suspect there are many more and that this will spiral out.

The real issues coming out now are about how else knew? Did staff/ players at Crewe and the other clubs know that abuse was going on under theri watch? If so was it ignored or were others involved too?

Please remember libel laws and that statisically there will probably be several site users who have suffered similar abuse.

Well said.

Just hope that those who committed offences are brought to justice, and any involved in covering up also.

To the victims, only can offer sympathy and hope that the disclosure of this brings some form of comfort and relief in the future.
 

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