Sell On Fees & Hypocrite's

[General Disarray]

I see a lot of people on here mentioning that we must constantly be looking at players who are of a young age, whom we can sell for a bigger price if they are to meet their potential, or sell on for a slight loss if they don't.

Now the same people who constantly keep mentioning 'sell on fees' need to consider this when thinking about Baines (28) and the constant link with a move to United.

Now before you all go off on one I'm not saying its clear cut 'Let's sell Baines!' But for a club who need to ensure they get the best value for their players when selling, are we ever going to get £18-20million for him again.

Look at the rumoured £20 Million we turned down (From City) for Arteta to sell him 12 months later for half that.

Selling arguably our best player isn't something I want and let's be honest looks like we may be in line to lose 2 of our top player in Baines & Fellaini but surely we should be looking to get the very best price possible?


I will await your abuse!

 

[Zatara]

I see a lot of people on here mentioning that we must constantly be looking at players who are of a young age, whom we can sell for a bigger price if they are to meet their potential, or sell on for a slight loss if they don't.

Now the same people who constantly keep mentioning 'sell on fees' need to consider this when thinking about Baines (28) and the constant link with a move to United.

Now before you all go off on one I'm not saying its clear cut 'Let's sell Baines!' But for a club who need to ensure they get the best value for their players when selling, are we ever going to get £18-20million for him again.

Look at the rumoured £20 Million we turned down (From City) for Arteta to sell him 12 months later for half that.

Selling arguably our best player isn't something I want and let's be honest looks like we may be in line to lose 2 of our top player in Baines & Fellaini but surely we should be looking to get the very best price possible?


I will await your abuse!

Good luck with this, I posted a Moyes/Martinez thread and it was closed.

Totally unrelated to other threads and you've done one on Baines -- see all the baines threads?

 

[General Disarray]

So by mentioning a players name as an example it's about Baines? I also mention Arteta should it be closed because i mentioned a none everton player? To be fair, it's more in reference to people saying Kone is a bad signing because he has no sell on fee!

 

[WA Toffee]

I see a lot of people on here mentioning that we must constantly be looking at players who are of a young age, whom we can sell for a bigger price if they are to meet their potential, or sell on for a slight loss if they don't.

Now the same people who constantly keep mentioning 'sell on fees' need to consider this when thinking about Baines (28) and the constant link with a move to United.

Now before you all go off on one I'm not saying its clear cut 'Let's sell Baines!' But for a club who need to ensure they get the best value for their players when selling, are we ever going to get £18-20million for him again.

Look at the rumoured £20 Million we turned down (From City) for Arteta to sell him 12 months later for half that.

Selling arguably our best player isn't something I want and let's be honest looks like we may be in line to lose 2 of our top player in Baines & Fellaini but surely we should be looking to get the very best price possible?


I will await your abuse!

It really has to be addressed on a case by case basis, it's not a one size fits all solution.

When we receive a bid for a player the club has to consider many things - the players current value, his potential future value, how much a replacement would cost, can we get a better deal, would we be better of with the money or the player etc etc.

It's the same when buying a player - is he the best we can get for the price, will he have a future sell on fee, what will his worth be to the club, how much is our total budget and how will this signing impact other potential signings etc.

So, since each case has to be judged on its individual merits, I would say it is not hypocrytical of people to say don't buy Kone due to no sell on value but also say not to sell Baines regardless of reducing his future value. They are very different scenarios, bringing different benefits and drawbacks.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Hi Bill.

 

[bol-uk]

I see a lot of people on here mentioning that we must constantly be looking at players who are of a young age, whom we can sell for a bigger price if they are to meet their potential, or sell on for a slight loss if they don't.

Now the same people who constantly keep mentioning 'sell on fees' need to consider this when thinking about Baines (28) and the constant link with a move to United.

Now before you all go off on one I'm not saying its clear cut 'Let's sell Baines!' But for a club who need to ensure they get the best value for their players when selling, are we ever going to get £18-20million for him again.

Look at the rumoured £20 Million we turned down (From City) for Arteta to sell him 12 months later for half that.

Selling arguably our best player isn't something I want and let's be honest looks like we may be in line to lose 2 of our top player in Baines & Fellaini but surely we should be looking to get the very best price possible?


I will await your abuse!

Good point

People don't want us to be a selling club but want our players to have a good sell on fee....

 

[barkleys splinter]

Of course Baines should be sold if a bid comes in at anything above £15m. Baines is a quality player. But his particular importance to us was solely because of Moyes, who had no attacking plans other than those heavily involving Baines and Pienaar. It's ridiculous that a full back at any club, at any level, should have become so critical to a team's attacking that he ends up the top provider in European football. Naturally we all loved it. But realistically, under any other manager he would not have attained such importance -- and I suspect he won't under Martinez.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

There'll be plenty of Sell on Fees with the new 'Elite Academies' unfortunately there'll also be a lot more shattered dreams for kids as well.

 

[Zatara]

So by mentioning a players name as an example it's about Baines? I also mention Arteta should it be closed because i mentioned a none everton player? To be fair, it's more in reference to people saying Kone is a bad signing because he has no sell on fee!

Yep, precisely...i agree with you!

 

[Tubey]

I agree that we should sell players at the height of their value wherever possible due to our financial model, and a bid of around £20m would be completely fair for Baines.

What people are annoyed about is the derogatory bid of £12m and the timing of the bid (before Moyes was even officially manager). So it came across as the Everton manager making a bid for an Everton player on behalf of Man Utd, using insider knowledge of valuation (even if that isn't actually the case or whatever).

If Man Utd had came in with a proper offer of around £18m today, people would be discussing the move a lot more rationally.

 

[njligernj]

Now before you all go off on one I'm not saying its clear cut 'Let's sell Baines!' But for a club who need to ensure they get the best value for their players when selling, are we ever going to get £18-20million for him again.

For a club trying to win matches and trophies are we ever going to get a player as good as him again?

What are the odds we use that money and get a player who turns out to be one of the best in the world in his position?

 

[njligernj]

I agree that we should sell players at the height of their value wherever possible due to our financial model, and a bid of around £20m would be completely fair for Baines.

I do not agree that we should sell players at the height of their value.

We should sell players who are valued higher than they are worth to us. Rodwell is a good example ... possibly even Fellaini.

Baines is worth more to us than anyone would give us. His "fair market value" is irrelevant. He's an Everton player. His Everton value is higher than 20m.

 

[blue to the bone]

good points mate.. its something that has annoyed me recently too.. players we are limked with all some posters are concerned with are sell on fees.. if the player makes us a better team now and improves our league position or chances of winning a trophy then sign them....

 

[General Disarray]

For a club trying to win matches and trophies are we ever going to get a player as good as him again?

What are the odds we use that money and get a player who turns out to be one of the best in the world in his position?

We currently don't have a squad who can compete to the highest level in every game we play in and when i say "Highest Level" i don't mean the standard of United/City/Chelsea i mean to each players top level. This is down to our squad size, there's no if, buts or maybes about it. I've kind of accepted that we will lose both Baines & Fellaini, i don't want to but i've accepted it because i can't see how it won't happen.

Like i said before i'm not suggesting that selling Baines is the correct thing to do i'm just talking about people who bang out about sell on fees then suggest that selling a player at the top of their game in so gaining the highest transfer fee they will ever be worth isn't the correct thing to do.

If and when Baines and/or Fellaini leave we really need to bulk the squad up with a good combination of Young/Experienced, First Team/Squad Players.

I understand peoples problem with Kone, he's only had 1 season etc... what if he has gets "2nd season syndrome" blah blah. Football is a game of risk and every transfer is a risk along with every transfer rejected is a risk.

I accept your point "What are the odds we use that money and get a player who turns out to be one of the best in the world in his position?" you can't guarantee this, you wouldn't have predicted it when Baines came and you can't predict that it will happen again. Luke Shaw looks like a top prospect at Southampton (if i'm honest i don't see why United aren't going in for him) will be become world class or will he be the next Wayne Bridge/Stephen Warnock?

 

[Jacko93]

So by mentioning a players name as an example it's about Baines? I also mention Arteta should it be closed because i mentioned a none everton player? To be fair, it's more in reference to people saying Kone is a bad signing because he has no sell on fee!

Theres a Kone thread for that.