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The Premier League has written to its 20 clubs asking if they would be interested in taking part in a trial to reintroduce standing sections in their grounds.

The question is part of a wider survey on the issue of safe standing and it follows an earlier commitment to conduct a fact-finding exercise on the matter.

In a statement, a Premier League spokesman said: "Last November clubs tasked the Premier League with scoping out the safety, supporter, technical and legislative issues surrounding permitted standing before further discussions, based on facts, take place. This survey is part of that process."

The pilot scheme question is undoubtedly the most interesting but it is also hypothetical, as the government remains opposed to the idea and many senior police officers are still unsure about the safety implications of allowing football fans to stand during games.

A Department of Culture, Media and Sport spokesperson said: "The government currently has no plans to change its position and introduce standing accommodation at grounds covered by the all-seater requirement."

Clubs in England's top two divisions have been legally required to have all-seater grounds since the measure was recommended by the 1990 Taylor Report into the Hillsborough disaster.

For more than a decade there was little interest in revisiting that move but, over the last few years, there have been growing calls for a rethink from campaigners, fans groups and, more recently, some clubs.

But more clubs have been raising the issue and it is a topic that has come up in all three of the "structural dialogues" the league has held with supporters' representatives over the last two seasons.

There are two significant obstacles to any return to standing sections at Premier League level, though.

The first is the issue of whether it would need a change in legislation or not, and there is some disagreement on that. Amending the existing law without support from the police and the government department in charge of sport would be difficult.

The second hurdle is Merseyside, where feelings on safety at football matches run high for entirely understandable reasons. Everton has traditionally supported Liverpool's stance on the issue but even here public opinion is starting to shift.

Prominent figures such as new Liverpool mayor Steve Rotheram and the Hillsborough Family Support Group are against a return to standing at football grounds.

But the Hillsborough Justice Campaign is open to a debate on the matter and the club's biggest independent fans group, the Spirit of Shankly, is planning to vote on the issue this summer.
 

I cant see us doing anything if the rs oppose it,but to me terracing wasnt the cause of Hillsborough,and safe standing has got to be less dangerous than standing on seats,being a lid I started going in the stands years ago and wouldnt return to terracing now but I dont see an issue with it
 

Change the name "safe standing", and replace it with "Rail Seating" and the alarming name, doesn't actually sound so alarming anymore.

It's actually safer for fans to stand in designated standing zones, than stand, and potentially injure themselves by falling over rows of seats infront, which frequently happens.
 
The Premier League has written to its 20 clubs asking if they would be interested in taking part in a trial to reintroduce standing sections in their grounds.

The question is part of a wider survey on the issue of safe standing and it follows an earlier commitment to conduct a fact-finding exercise on the matter.

In a statement, a Premier League spokesman said: "Last November clubs tasked the Premier League with scoping out the safety, supporter, technical and legislative issues surrounding permitted standing before further discussions, based on facts, take place. This survey is part of that process."

The pilot scheme question is undoubtedly the most interesting but it is also hypothetical, as the government remains opposed to the idea and many senior police officers are still unsure about the safety implications of allowing football fans to stand during games.

A Department of Culture, Media and Sport spokesperson said: "The government currently has no plans to change its position and introduce standing accommodation at grounds covered by the all-seater requirement."

Clubs in England's top two divisions have been legally required to have all-seater grounds since the measure was recommended by the 1990 Taylor Report into the Hillsborough disaster.

For more than a decade there was little interest in revisiting that move but, over the last few years, there have been growing calls for a rethink from campaigners, fans groups and, more recently, some clubs.

But more clubs have been raising the issue and it is a topic that has come up in all three of the "structural dialogues" the league has held with supporters' representatives over the last two seasons.

There are two significant obstacles to any return to standing sections at Premier League level, though.

The first is the issue of whether it would need a change in legislation or not, and there is some disagreement on that. Amending the existing law without support from the police and the government department in charge of sport would be difficult.

The second hurdle is Merseyside, where feelings on safety at football matches run high for entirely understandable reasons. Everton has traditionally supported Liverpool's stance on the issue but even here public opinion is starting to shift.

Prominent figures such as new Liverpool mayor Steve Rotheram and the Hillsborough Family Support Group are against a return to standing at football grounds.

But the Hillsborough Justice Campaign is open to a debate on the matter and the club's biggest independent fans group, the Spirit of Shankly, is planning to vote on the issue this summer.
You just don't want to pay for a seat for each arse cheek you bad hippo.
 

I cant see us doing anything if the rs oppose it,but to me terracing wasnt the cause of Hillsborough,and safe standing has got to be less dangerous than standing on seats,being a lid I started going in the stands years ago and wouldnt return to terracing now but I dont see an issue with it

The Kop already stands up, all the time, without a second thought about Hillsborough. At least this new system will allow them to do it safely.......
 
The Kop already stands up, all the time, without a second thought about Hillsborough. At least this new system will allow them to do it safely.......
I dont think many of their fans oppose it Pete,its one of the Hillsborough groups that are against it,despite it being 100% safer than what happens now,but like I said if there is opposition across the park then we will toe the line with them
 
I'm totally for it being partially integrated into grounds as it's a world apart from the old days of unmanaged and potentially dangerous terracing.

However, as others have mentioned, our club will be muted as certain groups will openly make it an impossible scenario unless they're challenged.

Even though the terrible tragedy that occurred back in '89 had little to do with the actual standing of the fans but rather lots of other factors.

I've been to numerous stadia in Germany and I've never had a problem. You have a ticket, a space to stand and a rail in front and behind.

Also, it seems as if it has been a success when trialled up at Celtic so hopefully that'll add weight to any argument that it should be adopted.
 
I'm totally for it being partially integrated into grounds as it's a world apart from the old days of unmanaged and potentially dangerous terracing.

However, as others have mentioned, our club will be muted as certain groups will openly make it an impossible scenario unless they're challenged.

Even though the terrible tragedy that occurred back in '89 had little to do with the actual standing of the fans but rather lots of other factors.

I've been to numerous stadia in Germany and I've never had a problem. You have a ticket, a space to stand and a rail in front and behind.

Also, it seems as if it has been a success when trialled up at Celtic so hopefully that'll add weight to any argument that it should be adopted.
I think the wording puts a lot of people off,thinking its a return to the old style terracing rather than rail seating,WBA have offered to trial it so it might eventually take hold,hopefully before we move frounds
 

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