Rugby Union -All Blacks game, Were England Robbed?

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Chris O'Connor

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Were England robbed at Twickenham today?


Minute from the end a hair-line call by TMO Marius Jonker denied them what looked to be a legitimate, match-winning try from Sam Underhill five minutes from time, they had great value for money.


(TMO stands for television match official - rugby's third umpire or VAR official)


The call went against Courtney Lawes for offside as he blocked a kick by TJ Perenara on the 10-metre line. At best, it looked a tight decision, too tight for the circumstances, and England had every right to feel aggrieved. The attacking team should surely have the benefit of any doubt. World Rugby had issued a directive only two days earlier instructing the referee to take the initiative on big decisions and use the TMO for guidance. Jerome Garces abrogated that responsibility. Matches should not be decided like this, on marginal interpretations. It was a gaffe.


I noted the TMO who made the call in the England New Zealand game was none other than our old South African friend Marius Jonker.


Is it just possibly the case that he could have been swayed just a tiny bit by an overwhelming feeling of real bitterness, especially considering how his own country's team lost out to England in a last minute controversy last week, and how they were so upset by a late TMO's decision going against them then?


The answer to that might rhyme with TESS


(The link is under a paywall but i have printed the relevant bit from the report above)


://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2018/11/10/englands-disallowed-try-tight-circumstances-have-every-right/
 


Former World Cup final referee Jonothan Kaplan agrees..

If England were fortunate to be on the right side of a TMO decision last weekend they were desperately unlucky to have Sam Underhill’s match-winning try chalked off at Twickenham this time.

I was surprised TMO Marius Jonker penalised Courtney Lawes for offside ahead of his charge-down, and although I concede it is a close call I do not agree with his decision.

When looking at the incident we first need to work out whether there was an offside line. In previous years, as no English player was bound, there wouldn’t have been. But that law was changed in the wake of England’s ‘no ruck’ game with Italy, and law 14.10 states that any player over the ball constitutes an offside line.

What that means is that Lawes had to get onside and then be behind the hindmost body part of the tackle as there is no ruck.

Lawes clearly retires behind and in line with the rest of his team-mates before he strays marginally in front of them. However, the crux of the matter is whether the ball is out or not. If you watch the footage again you will see scrum-half TJ Perenara had his hands on the ball for some time before lifting it. That is crucial. To my mind, if the ball is no longer in the ruck and is not covered at all by other players - something I assessed by asking myself whether a bird could s*** on it from above - then it is out and available for all to play. Further illustrating the point, by touching it Perenara ensured it was fair game for anyone else to make a move, not least Lawes. The offside line is not relevant now, which to my mind makes this a fair try.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-u...gland-try-offside-no-clear-evidence-overturn/
 

Thought at the time it was a try.
To be honest the last 3 minutes of the first half cost them , couple of daft moves and the game swung the kiwi's way.
Line out's in the second nearly half all lost and we didn't alter it and general game management let us down saying that some good performances as well.
What the fk was going on with the mullets on the NZ players ?
 
Losing a 15 point lead is not being robbed. Failing to engineer a drop goal to take the lead again is not being robbed. Video referee making the correct call is not being robbed.

Posh rugger buggers anyway
 

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