Rodwells form????

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Just wanted to post the question, sorry if it has been done.

I've been watching Rodwell this season close especially since we lost Arteta as i've always been of the opinion that when he got more games we would see the real Jack Rodwell. One that i have heard spoke about as a future England captain he's that good. I still believe the lad has some real quality and will get better but he has been around the 1st team for a while now and i am starting to want more from him. Im not really pleased with his form. At the weekend he scored but for the majority he wasn't effective.

What are everyones views on his form and his ability??
 

He's been great all season. Just because he's not stepping over constantly and pirouetting, doesn't mean every time he steps on to that pitch he isn't a calming influence in the middle of the park. He's played the role of anchor excellently since August.

He had 90% pass completion on Sunday as well.
 
A couple of things which people neglect to mention about both Rodwell and Fellaini.

Rodwell is 20 and Fellaini is 23 -- How many top class defensive midfielders do you know at that age ?

The only 2 I can think of who were at a top level when they were around those ages would be Vieira and Essien. A couple of years ago we were linked with Darren Fletcher (who 90% of our fans didnt want then he had a great season for Man Utd) but he is now 27....

John Obi Mikel was signed for 12mil If i remember correctly and he is far worse that either Rodwell and Fellaini.

The fact is that defensive midfielders seem to get better with age and we have potentially a decade with these 2 as our central midfield -- they simply need games together to forge an understanding.

On top of this, they have BOTH been injured for long periods which leads to stop-start seasons which hinders development.


In my opinion they need to be playing together week in week out with hopefully no injuries over 2 seasons to forge a top class relationship -- what DOESNT help is switching the team around, not with new players but breaking up these two and moving one into a different position -- I mean WHY play Fellaini in the Cahill role ?

So, as above Rodwell needs game time and a settled spot alongside Fellaini.
 

Ant to add to the above post, I never expected him to take up Arteta's role as he simply doesn't have the playmaking abilities of Arteta...but he has the potential and the time to become one of the league's bets holding mids
 
Man City aside, I think he's a shocker of a season.

I do think he'll kick on from now though. Moyes was 100% to criticise him (or demand better/raise expectancy...) recently.

The obvious comment when it comes to Rodwell and I won't apologise for saying it again - He needs to assert himself on the pitch, far too often a passenger. He needs to actively look for possession, and look to make an impact on the game. There's a lot to be said for the easy, simple ball but he needs to be more industrious, we need a centre midfielder who can do something in the final third...

Granted, that's not his job - he's apparently a defensive midfielder. But do we look to develop a midfield pair of defensive midfielders? Zatara, on all evidence - that being performances, Fellaini is simply a considerably better footballer than Jack Rodwell. End of story with that one. I don't think we should be looking to develop the two as a partnership. Fellaini is potentially world class as a defensive midfielder, a sitting midfielder. You put Rodwell alongside him, and who goes and who sits? - What happens then is Fellaini becomes the centre of midfield, and Rodwell just ghosts about - playing the painfully simple ball - actively deflecting any responsibility.

As Moyes said - time to step up and act like a senior player. I.E - When we get a throw in against Chelsea, look to accept possession...
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Man City aside, I think he's a shocker of a season.

I do think he'll kick on from now though. Moyes was 100% to criticise him (or demand better/raise expectancy...) recently.

The obvious comment when it comes to Rodwell and I won't apologise for saying it again - He needs to assert himself on the pitch, far too often a passenger. He needs to actively look for possession, and look to make an impact on the game. There's a lot to be said for the easy, simple ball but he needs to be more industrious, we need a centre midfielder who can do something in the final third...

Granted, that's not his job - he's apparently a defensive midfielder. But do we look to develop a midfield pair of defensive midfielders? Zatara, on all evidence - that being performances, Fellaini is simply a considerably better footballer than Jack Rodwell. End of story with that one. I don't think we should be looking to develop the two as a partnership. Fellaini is potentially world class as a defensive midfielder, a sitting midfielder. You put Rodwell alongside him, and who goes and who sits? - What happens then is Fellaini becomes the centre of midfield, and Rodwell just ghosts about - playing the painfully simple ball - actively deflecting any responsibility.

As Moyes said - time to step up and act like a senior player. I.E - When we get a throw in against Chelsea, look to accept possession...
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Thank God for this post. I thought I'd been watching the wrong player based on the first few replies.

He's been largely terrible and at best average in certain games.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
And Zatara, on all evidence - that being performances, Fellaini is simply a considerably better footballer than Jack Rodwell. End of story with that one. I don't think we should be looking to develop the two as a partnership. Fellaini is potentially world class as a defensive midfielder, a sitting midfielder. You put Rodwell alongside him, and who goes and who sits? - What happens then is Fellaini becomes the centre midfielder, and Rodwell just ghosts about - playing the painfully simple ball - actively deflecting any responsibility.
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Pretty much completely agree. I wish Jack would start playing the way we've all seen him play before.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Man City aside, I think he's a shocker of a season.

I do think he'll kick on from now though. Moyes was 100% to criticise him (or demand better/raise expectancy...) recently.

The obvious comment when it comes to Rodwell and I won't apologise for saying it again - He needs to assert himself on the pitch, far too often a passenger. He needs to actively look for possession, and look to make an impact on the game. There's a lot to be said for the easy, simple ball but he needs to be more industrious, we need a centre midfielder who can do something in the final third...

Granted, that's not his job - he's apparently a defensive midfielder. But do we look to develop a midfield pair of defensive midfielders? Zatara, on all evidence - that being performances, Fellaini is simply a considerably better footballer than Jack Rodwell. End of story with that one. I don't think we should be looking to develop the two as a partnership. Fellaini is potentially world class as a defensive midfielder, a sitting midfielder. You put Rodwell alongside him, and who goes and who sits? - What happens then is Fellaini becomes the centre of midfield, and Rodwell just ghosts about - playing the painfully simple ball - actively deflecting any responsibility.

As Moyes said - time to step up and act like a senior player. I.E - When we get a throw in against Chelsea, look to accept possession...
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Personally I would advocate a combo of Fellaini and Rodwell in centre midfield. Yes they are both fundamentally defensive but with the system I would look to play we'd need them.

I would like Baines and coleman as fullbacks -- thats very attack minded + having a winger in the side (Drenthe) and an attacking roaming playmaker in front of them we need our fair share of defensive minded players.

They are both also not short of ability on the ball and with that in mind can get the game flowing for us -- IF we had quality attacking players. Who can Rodwell realistically pass to other than Drenthe or the boot to Saha, its really those 2 or the short pass to Baines ? Its useless to pass to Osman / Cahill.

I think Rodwell will become a top top player and Fellaini also -- remember Fellaini has had many more games than Jack and also is 3 years older....
 
the thing about rodwell is he is totally unaware of things going on around him ,its like he falls into a coma every 5 mins in a game ,you can see hes got something ,its getting him to do it on the park every week
 
Zatara said:
I think Rodwell will become a top top player and Fellaini also -- remember Fellaini has had many more games than Jack and also is 3 years older....
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I don't understand the comparison?

If your going to make it, lets acknowledge Fellaini had the burden of a record transfer fee, arrived into a completely new, greater league - not speaking the language - into a season that had already begun without any bedding in time - and soon found himself completely out of position upfront but even with all that - he finished his debut season as our leading goalscorer, winning one of the end of season awards...

Moyes described Fellaini "as good as anyone in the league" - at the same age, he's telling Rodwell to man up and accept responsibility of being a senior footballer.

If your advocating Jack Rodwell, bringing Fellaini in to directly compare the two isn't the way to go...

That was his debut season.
 
Sorry but Rodwell has looked rather ordinary this season but then again so has this world class Fallaini. We have 2 defensive mid fielders without pace or the ability to track back and give cover for Baines or Hibbert. This is why we have to play with 2 holding Mids. Our most creative player is our wide man Derenthe, that being said I like Felli but this season he looks like he doesn’t give a S---e. Hopefully that will change with his new contract.
 

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