6 + 2 Point Deductions

[kenada_blue]

We are the perfect club for these to drive home their plan to protect the status quo.

Buy a club, as long as the period owner hasn’t left a mess, you can invest in players… now if you recruit well, you need them to click and gel very quickly .
If you successfully break into the top 4 , you must have a good run to increase revenue , all the while not being able to spend again to cope with the extra games , making it harder to maintain your top 4 position.

If you don’t secure CL money in the second year … the third year rolling cycle approaches

If you cannot manage to secure the extra revenue , you will need to sell to balance the books. Usually to the richer teams , who in turn become stronger and make it even harder to break into the club.

We got it wrong but villa and Newcastle are trying now . Previously they may have decided to push the envelope a bit more but… we are Everton.

We are being hit so hard, hard enough that they are willing to put us into administration , so that any club that even considers flirting with PSR will be having second thoughts .

It’s not worth the risk.

what they want is the sly 6 at the top with a bunch of Brighton’s below them, taking risks on unknown players that when they turn out to be good, are ripe for the harvesting by the “ big” clubs .

100%.

When we got hit with 10 points for £19.5mill over the threshold, it scared the crap out of teams.

We're the example now. No other club will get 10 points as they redefine and tweaks these rules. But the meantime...buckle up and if you have to sell your star player, get doing it.

But this does not apply to Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, United, Liverpool or City

 

[gwladysnight]

Why.

That is the process we signed up to. An Independent commission followed by an appeal. The Premier League rules do not allow an appeal to CAS.

We could challenge it through the courts but we would have to show the process hadn't been run correctly. Given the last panel was made up of a senior barrister and a judge plus a former CFO the chances of a successful legal challenge are pretty much nil.

 

[lesbattersby]

Any ideas when it'll be announced how much we went over this time ?

 

[stony]

But that's where the argument is. We can all in fight and have a go at the media (and them now have a go at us) about the variables and the rationale from the PL...but it's slowly moving away from the real issue....

Do these rules work? Does it still create a divide between the top and the bottom?

City can take reputational damage all day long. But it won't take their trophies away or put them in financial hardship

The rules were never about FFP, and all about proteting the red clubs and Spurs. Most of the mainstream media are just client journalists for whichever club is feeding them. They spin every story into whatever narrative their clients want. Added to that is the fact that most of the media are terrified of upsetting Liverpool. They've all seen what happens when you do that.

 

[blueboy72]

100%.

When we got hit with 10 points for £19.5mill over the threshold, it scared the crap out of teams.

We're the example now. No other club will get 10 points as they redefine and tweaks these rules. But the meantime...buckle up and if you have to sell your star player, get doing it.

But this does not apply to Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, United, Liverpool or City

I’m not sure , interesting we’re 19 days into the window and hardly any moves apart from spurs. I doubt Liverpool will need to sell, but a lot talk that Utd need to, arsenal and that Chelsea would sell Gallagher if a good offer come in.

Let’s see how the league react to their top 6 favourites being forced to sell their best homegrown talent, already seen a journalist moaning about. But wouldn’t have an issue us being forced to sell Branthwaite.

In another point it was interesting masters saying how the new rules may work. 70% wage to turnover if you’re in Europe 85% if you’re not

 

[Toffe3m4n]

if the appeal fails can we appeal the appeal?

In all seriousness - if the appeal fails and it threatens to bring the club close to collapse then it should be taken all the way to the high courts.

 

[Tel001]

Not just the PL.
My almost 4yr old granddaughter asked me "What is an Everton and what does it do?". Didn't have a answer for her.

“Everton was a football club and it used to make me very angry and that why I used to shout at everyone on Saturday.

But now they are gone and I can now be happy and spend more time at the park with you”

 

[RomanReigns]

In all seriousness - if the appeal fails and it threatens to bring the club close to collapse then it should be taken all the way to the high courts.

and european courts

 

[b-rad]

Any ideas when it'll be announced how much we went over this time ?

When the punishment is revealed, I suspect.

 

[Tel001]

I think what’s more apparent now, forgetting Everton, Forest, City etc etc, is that the system is flawed.

It would seem the system they have adopted to bring these charges, deductions, etc they are now making up as cases begin to appear. It seems that the Premier League are under pressure from the government to allow outside regulation and in order to show they don’t need it they are sanctioning teams. The system is so flawed it’s impossible to say if it’s fair or not.

This is why the city date has not been released imo.

We will be kicked into oblivion … the rules will change in the summer and city will be “ punished” under those rules .. and guess what? They won’t be anywhere near as harsh

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Simms

And also a few million for Samuels Smith.

 

[Gilbert..]

He could be right and he could have expertise, but he will be doing worse case scenario to get listens/clicks etc that's how these commercial stations operate

As some have mentioned on here today. After masters horror show at the parliamentary sitting. Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that a bit of premier league PR wouldnt go amiss. 36 hours later this fella is rolled out on a national radio station. Not only did i think he was unneccssary aggressive towards Everton he was very pro PL and the independent review board.
His demeanour completely changed off the subject of Everton and on to city. The self confessed city fan was suddenly far more forgiving in that yes they may have done wrong. But there are others involved here.

Nicely timed bit of PR for the premier league? I wouldnt like to suggest coincidence.

 

[perth_blue]

Good ebening Jeeeeeemm

 

[matty1878]

“Everton was a football club and it used to make me very angry and that why I used to shout at everyone on Saturday.

But now they are gone and I can now be happy and spend more time at the park with you”

im in stitches

 

[Socistep2]

We are the perfect club for these to drive home their plan to protect the status quo.

Buy a club, as long as the period owner hasn’t left a mess, you can invest in players… now if you recruit well, you need them to click and gel very quickly .
If you successfully break into the top 4 , you must have a good run to increase revenue , all the while not being able to spend again to cope with the extra games , making it harder to maintain your top 4 position.

If you don’t secure CL money in the second year … the third year rolling cycle approaches

If you cannot manage to secure the extra revenue , you will need to sell to balance the books. Usually to the richer teams , who in turn become stronger and make it even harder to break into the club.

We got it wrong but villa and Newcastle are trying now . Previously they may have decided to push the envelope a bit more but… we are Everton.

We are being hit so hard, hard enough that they are willing to put us into administration , so that any club that even considers flirting with PSR will be having second thoughts .

It’s not worth the risk.

what they want is the sly 6 at the top with a bunch of Brighton’s below them, taking risks on unknown players that when they turn out to be good, are ripe for the harvesting by the “ big” clubs .

Whilst the premise of FFP is generally sound, to stop a Leeds or Pompey like was experienced in the 00s, the application has now created an even harder glass ceiling that we experienced under Moyes

The "big" sides have found ways to account differently and have the revenue to sustain being up there, this in turn makes it very difficult to gain the revenue to manage FFP effectively - a viscious cycle

We are seeing a cycle of teams trying to break into the top 6, failing and then having to pull back financially to balance the books and struggle e.g.

Leicester - amazing story but then ultimately balancing the books led to relegation
Wolves - a couple of great seasons post promotion then fell back
Everton - invested badly but have had to balance the books and ended up with breach and struggling against relegation

There are clubs which have not had as much as a drop in league position yet but have not challenged the top 6 domination

Brighton - well managed but ultimately just a feeder club
West Ham - well managed, won a trophy but don't look like challenging

then there a couple of sides that have broken the top 4 but FFP is going to hold them back - Villa and Newcastle

Agree with this post as we have being hit incredibly hard, potentially as a deterrent to others to not break the restrictive rules