Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
They have massive revenue compared to us
Streetender1878
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Just read this in an article in the daily mail from march 2023 about tottenhams stadium funding."Tottenham’s payments relate to £853m in outstanding loans, borrowed to build the 62,000-seat stadium."
Now is that about 3 times our loans? Why arent the premier league clocking this. Have spurs been allowed to right off the whole amount in loans?
Now is that about 3 times our loans? Why arent the premier league clocking this. Have spurs been allowed to right off the whole amount in loans?
GP_Monty
Player Valuation: £8m
If we would have spent half that we would have had much more than a points deduction, they would have just executed us.Look at the size of their squads and their wage bills. Financial Fair play you say Sir...
We spent more than that over a given 5 year period under Walsh / Koeman et al. That's partly why we are where we are. Plus their turnover is absolutely huge, based on being a successful club for years and years. Why we thought we should just be able to jump the queue I don't know and it's got us into this mess.
Pootsy
Player Valuation: £15m
- Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18 - 7 alleged breaches
Spadge Vernacular
Player Valuation: £60m
This is an intersting analysis of the government’s White Paper, ‘A Sustainable Future – Reforming Club Football Governance’.
From page 12 here https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...uk-annual-review-of-football-finance-2023.pdf
Some of its guidelines suggest that regulations should:
- avoiding unnecessary regulatory burden on clubs;
- planning and monitoring, that support longterm financial sustainability for clubs;
- collaboration with key stakeholders, including the football bodies.
This aspect appears crucial as it emphasises that regulations should be adapted to evolving circumstances, such as macro factors and individual situations.
Considerations for Putin's war and our main sponsor, Usmanov, and owners company (Moshiri stake in USM) being sanctioned should be core considerations. Regarding individual circumstances, factors such as the club's most expensive signing being unable to play or be sold due to legal charges beyond the clubs control should also be taken into account. These kinds of situations can create the unnecessary regulatory burden that the paper aims to prevent the Premier League from imposing on clubs. Such burdens could, and for us has lead to the sale of prized assets at reduced prices, impacting performance and revenue. The stadium also being a crucial investment for our longterm financial sustainability.
Our lawyers should be ramming these sorts of things down that Masters throat and making a song and dance about it to the government, IMO.
From page 12 here https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...uk-annual-review-of-football-finance-2023.pdf
Some of its guidelines suggest that regulations should:
- avoiding unnecessary regulatory burden on clubs;
- planning and monitoring, that support longterm financial sustainability for clubs;
- collaboration with key stakeholders, including the football bodies.
This aspect appears crucial as it emphasises that regulations should be adapted to evolving circumstances, such as macro factors and individual situations.
Considerations for Putin's war and our main sponsor, Usmanov, and owners company (Moshiri stake in USM) being sanctioned should be core considerations. Regarding individual circumstances, factors such as the club's most expensive signing being unable to play or be sold due to legal charges beyond the clubs control should also be taken into account. These kinds of situations can create the unnecessary regulatory burden that the paper aims to prevent the Premier League from imposing on clubs. Such burdens could, and for us has lead to the sale of prized assets at reduced prices, impacting performance and revenue. The stadium also being a crucial investment for our longterm financial sustainability.
Our lawyers should be ramming these sorts of things down that Masters throat and making a song and dance about it to the government, IMO.
Stefc
Player Valuation: £100k
Any FFP rules shouldn’t restrict how much you invest, just how you do it. It makes sense to limit a club’s borrowing so they aren’t saddled with debt long-term but if owners want to inject money themselves that doesn’t threaten the club’s ability to operate as a going concern that should be fine. Clubs should be made to be able to demonstrate they have the reserves to meet their obligations. That would be fairer than saying you can’t spend your money because your revenues aren’t big enough. This would mean the small clubs could compete though which is what the PL don’t want. Surely people with clout will highlight this at some point.
Hard to believe plus United have bought more players than that anyway. And tge biggie is their wage bill is astronomical compared to ours. Agree about the commercial deals which are just ridiculous. Sad thing is that gap is only going to get ever wider. Its a 6 team league now ffp is always going to keep it that way.
Pootsy
Player Valuation: £15m
100%.
If there was no framework for a PSR breach and then again no framework for a second successive breach like we're being investigated for then surely it would have been a fantastic opportunity to 'test; the forthcoming whitepapers guidance rather than let the IC have full reign on what punishments were handed down (with a little guidance placed on Twitter by the PL)
I hope to see Mr Masters in the Pegging thread telling us all about his experiences. And I hope Mrs Masters drops her Strap on in some boiling tar then broken glass first.
kenada_blue
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Here he is again.
"For the greater good"
Here he is again.
"For the greater good"
“small clubs, you must sell off half your squad for the greater good”
I know Matty, I just fear it will be out of his hands.
kenada_blue
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"Palace have done it"
Yeah. Keeps them at arms length. Just happy to be in the prem those fans. Zero growth. Highest they'll ever get in is 11th.
There's existing and competing. Think Mr Cross confuses the two.
And Wolves took a gamble. Fell on the Saudi train to save them...and Gary O'Neil doing a half decent job.
Those 2 don't happen...it's points deduction for you.
Mashtray
Player Valuation: £25m
There is so much that I have learned over the past couple of weeks that make me absolutely livid about this city bs.
First of all you giving the best possible defense team ever organized in sport over 3 years to prepare for a case. That's ofcourse not a massive help.
Also. Hypothetically, if they get punished it will be under a completely new PSR framework, with different penalties.
We are 100% done in with a house of cards style framework that has simply been quickly drawn together
Masters said that the policy has been in place for a decade and in decade not one club has been guilty? BS. Suddenly I'm hearing all clubs are watching their PSR levels right now. Even so called well run clubs like Arsenal, just shows you that for the first time many clubs are worried simply because we got punished
The one question I was very happy to hear being asked is if we are being cracked down on to show strength in their own governance so I'm very haply it got asked and hopefully it appears to be visible to outside world
Feels more like we were at the wrong place wrong time with so many factors going wrong.
