6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Noisy noise annoys]

this is real vibes mate

You’ve said similar to that, also

 

[Somerset Blue]

Goose cooked! I think I need to finish with football for a bit.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Getting very confusing this now, the club are saying its for the same period !?!

It's for 75% of the same cycle I believe

 

[Efcjake]

Everton should have done what Man City did and argued the toss at every turn.

Nice guys act didn't work.

This is a nothing statement.

Yes, our reported finances are confirmed to be in breach according to the version of the rules we are in the process of appealing.

It's a simple formula that spits out that we either exceeded 105 million quid or we didn't. That's all that "confirmation" is. We ran the formula and it shows we are non-compliant.

The issue we are challenging is regarding interest payments we want to assign as belonging to the stadium development. If that appeal goes out way then that formula result changes and we can "confirm" that we didn't breach the threshold.

 

[matty1878]

"The club has raised concerns about double jeopardy with the Premier League but been informed that is a matter for the independent commission that will consider the latest charge. Unlike the EFL, the Premier League has no guidelines for capping losses in years that have already been subject to a sanction."

I think that's the key here. Especially with City still nowhere near resolved and Everton suffering two points deductions: that is a massive problem for a panel to argue a case for punishing Everton twice in one season.

In short: this charge has been automatically triggered because the PL don't have a double jeopardy rule in place. An independent panel will recognise that.

As said though: the big difficulty now is player attitude to this mental pressure.

mate dyche isn’t stupid except when to make subs

 

[CrimsonToffee]

I think our firat appeal has to be fast tracked now, especially if it has to be sorted before the second charge. Otherwise it throws all the timelines out.

Yeah, imagine if the new commission finds us guilty and issues another points deduction that then results in us being relegated. But then our first appeal is successful, and on that basis we also appeal the second punishment, likely with success, thus overturning the relegation. Imagine the uproar and probable lawsuits from any other clubs affected.

And throw Forest into the mix as well, as they're charged now too. Gotta speed this stuff up or it's going to be utter, utter chaos come late spring / summer.

 

[davek]

If they are going to pay any attention to legal principles then given there is a 75% overlap to prevent double counting the punishment for the second breach should only be 25% of the first, so if it sticks at ten it should be 2-3 more max.

Yeah, I don't think we need a super silk to make our case for the second charge to be at least mitigated.

 

[matty1878]

You’ve said similar to that, also

even you surely can’t see a way out

 

[blulouie]

Everton should have done what Man City did and argued the toss at every turn.

Nice guys act didn't work.

The club have CONFIRMED to the PL they are in breach of the P&S rules !!!!

WTF is that about ???

The club statement says it only ACKNOWLEDGES !!!

Something not right at all with this.

 

[blue to the bone]

The esk will cover himself if we are charged by saying that we will be cleared in time. It's an easy escape route

I said this is what he would come out with. He's a parody.

 

[gwladysnight]

It was stated in the findings that there was no deliberate breach, so this is not proven.

It was also stated on a number of occasions that we misled both the Premier League and the Independent panel.

 

[Cjplennon]

Not sure what the Premier League’s reason is for these continued sanctions but it’s starting to feel like a vendetta at this point.

I wonder if it’s the FA bearing its teeth and showing it can self regulate with the spectre of independent regulation being mooted.

Seems easier to chase the likes of Everton and Forest than go after bigger clubs with deeper pockets and considerably more political popower.

Yes, feels like a vendetta especially as they have suddenly become so quick and efficient at reviewing all the accounts. Took them forever for the first round...

 

[Dublin blue 75]

89% we are, new rules are 70% of turnover, we really need to be around the 50-60% range

Which really was the entire point and business case for Bramley Moore Dock. Boost the matchday revenue by a 30% increase in attendances, charge a higher price for season/match tickets, food and beverage etc and a new and bigger shop, more tour income, stadium naming rights and reuse the stadium for Euro's, Europa league final, concerts etc... Some of this does start eating the lunch of our lovable neighbours in addition to the Etihad and likely similar long terms plans Man U might have for OT. No doubt each of those three want us/BMD to fail for those reasons. Could that be a discrete back channel lobbying issue here.. maybe.

If we are at 89% now, assuming said increase in revenue comes to pass the season after next (and we stay away from the agents moshiri and Kenwright worked with the last 5 years and act responsibly), we get a lot closer to the 70% objective.

 

[matty1878]

Yeah, I don't think we need a super silk to make our case for the second charge to be at least mitigated.

so what have they done it mate? if we can have better outcome? and why can’t that be for the first to? if it’s the same thing

 

[davek]

If we get points back on the first charge it'll pretty much demolish the second charge. I think that's right.