Phil Neville on Football focus NOW !!!

[harry]

We don't know, but come on, lets face it.

my point is when people talk about moyes they always say this statement. "without moyes we would have been relegated"

nobody can ever prove this either way. we may of picked another manager that would or wouldn't.

the only thing i will say is that David Moyes has delivered some of the most soul destroying boring, predictable football i have ever seen in his reign.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

Neville will have to look elsewhere for a manager's job when he finally gets his snout taken out of the Everton trough. Moyes will be at Everton for years to come. He's prepared to put up with the financial situation and, quite frankly, he's not good enough for a job with a club that's looking to do something in Europe. I expect Moyes to still be in charge for another 5 years at least yet.

Admit it, sourpuss...you'd love him to succeed at Everton. You're both stubborn son'sa b*tches...peas in a pod. And yes, it takes one to know one.

 

[froggyted]

would we of been relegated, how can anyone say this, have you gone back in time picked another manager instead of moyes and seen us get relegated?
you cant say that because you can/t possibly know.

No, i can't argue with that, but the writing was on the wall at the time. Still, i think that DM's record overall is a very good one, and am sure it would have been better if he'd had the funds to spend. Moyes is generally considered to be one of the best managers in the country anyway. I've already conceded he's not perfect, but then who is. Moyes' biggest failing, imo, is his defensive-minded gameplay, generally one up front and all hands to the deck to defend a one goal lead, when time after time this has resulted in us coming unstuck. He needs to change his mindset to one of 'Who dares, wins', because imo attack is generally the best form of defence, and whilst this would inevitably backfire at times it would certainly be more entertaining to watch.

 

[Arteta10]

my point is when people talk about moyes they always say this statement. "without moyes we would have been relegated"

nobody can ever prove this either way. we may of picked another manager that would or wouldn't.

the only thing i will say is that David Moyes has delivered some of the most soul destroying boring, predictable football i have ever seen in his reign.

Possibly true, but when you look were the club was when he took over, he completely turned the fortunes around, nobody can deny that
We WERE fighting relegation every season when he took over and he turned us into a team that was challenging for Europe and made cheap signings to build a great squad
The situation has changed these days because of the money which has come into the league and the amount of teams who have overtaken us because of this

 

[harry]

Possibly true, but when you look were the club was when he took over, he completely turned the fortunes around, nobody can deny that
We WERE fighting relegation every season when he took over and he turned us into a team that was challenging for Europe and made cheap signings to build a great squad
The situation has changed these days because of the money which has come into the league and the amount of teams who have overtaken us because of this

ok mate, i agree our league positions are decent, my problem is we have good footballers at this club but we still play long ball.

a favourite saying on this site when people question moyes is get megson in or get Allardyce in.

The only difference between these 3 managers is that two of them build a team and buy players to play the long ball, moyes assembles players who can play fooball but then plays route one. it doesn't make sense.

 

[Arteta10]

ok mate, i agree our league positions are decent, my problem is we have good footballers at this club but we still play long ball.

a favourite saying on this site when people question moyes is get megson in or get Allardyce in.

The only difference between these 3 managers is that two of them build a team and buy players to play the long ball, moyes assembles players who can play fooball but then plays route one. it doesn't make sense.

Good point, couldnt agree more really

It seems every team in the league this year has been practicing short passing and quick movement ala Barcelona while we stick to our Jags hoof

It speaks volumes that even with Arteta in the team, every player was looking for Barkley with the ball, because he was the only one that looked like doing anything unexpected or slightly different...a lot of pressure for a kid that like

 

[hafnia]

First post - pretty unspectacular but...

If I see that bleached headed, club footed, finger pointing politician spouting rubbish on TV again I will be needing to go to Richersounds to buy an accessory that removes size 9's out of an LCD screen.

Sick and tired of our clubs name and reputation being cautiously diluted in the media. Pip needs to spend more time on the training ground learning to pass rather than taking PR lessons of Ian Ross. At the moment he ain't much of a right back and a career in politics aint him.

It is what it is, people are being negative about Everton Phil because there ain't much positive. Some remember that we are the 4th most succesful club in England and maybe expect grander things... what gets measured gets attended to, it wouldn't be good enough for the mancs, and it certainly ain't good enough for us.

 

[cadex]

Without a doubt, Moyes' biggest strength is finding a gem in the transfer market on the cheap. I think that this, more than anything has carried his sides to high finishes in the Prem. The purchase of Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Jagielka, Pienaar and Baines (missed anyone?) was a great bit of business by the ginger one.

His biggest weaknesses, in my opinion:
1/ tactically inept: negative team selection, re-active i.e. doesn't read the game well enough to make necessary changes before it's too late.
2/ training methods: I can't be too sure of this as I don't attend FF as often as I'd like (maybe never) but our players' technical ability (i.e. holding possession, making clever runs off the ball, one or two touch football, switching the point of attack via one cross field pass, making that 'killer' through ball) is almost non-existent. Our inability to do the simple things right has been most evident on our ventures in to Europe.

At the end of the day, the standard of the Premiership is not very good apart from the top 6 or 7 teams (was 3 or 4 before the emergence of City and perhaps Spurs) which explains why we are so competitive in it, in truth. I believe we could do better with this crop of players but since Moyes ain't going no where, I hold hope that he gets struck by lightning (or maybe Stracqula can bite him in the neck) and changes his ways.

 

[froggyted]

Without a doubt, Moyes' biggest strength is finding a gem in the transfer market on the cheap. I think that this, more than anything has carried his sides to high finishes in the Prem. The purchase of Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Jagielka, Pienaar and Baines (missed anyone?) was a great bit of business by the ginger one.

His biggest weaknesses, in my opinion:
1/ tactically inept: negative team selection, re-active i.e. doesn't read the game well enough to make necessary changes before it's too late.
2/ training methods: I can't be too sure of this as I don't attend FF as often as I'd like (maybe never) but our players' technical ability (i.e. holding possession, making clever runs off the ball, one or two touch football, switching the point of attack via one cross field pass, making that 'killer' through ball) is almost non-existent. Our inability to do the simple things right has been most evident on our ventures in to Europe.

At the end of the day, the standard of the Premiership is not very good apart from the top 6 or 7 teams (was 3 or 4 before the emergence of City and perhaps Spurs) which explains why we are so competitive in it, in truth. I believe we could do better with this crop of players but since Moyes ain't going no where, I hold hope that he gets struck by lightning (or maybe Stracqula can bite him in the neck) and changes his ways.

I agree with a lot of your post. Inability to pass a ball consistently, and to know when (and be able) to hold onto a ball rather than make the impossible pass that concedes possession to the opposition, are key failures of our team, especially as you say against top Premiership and international opposition, and in these respects Everton reminds me of similar failings in the national squad. Inability to run with the ball and take players on is also a key problem, although perhaps more a limitation of players' abilities rather than training methods, and in this respect i'm hoping that Drenthe makes a positive impact, as well as Coleman when he's fit, but we also need the likes of Barkley and Rodwell to step up.