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Azzurri

Azzurri

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Loads of moaning at Goodison today (and all season) when we go backwards or sideways in our own half instead of lumping it forward. Has Moyes rotted your mind? We play the boss football, it's the Everton way now and it always was before Walter Smith. Fair enough if we're pissing about with it when one down with five minutes left, but we're not.

The reason we were so much better in the second half today (and again, we have been all season) is because of the football we play. When we keep the ball it just gives them more work to do. The more chasing they're doing, the more tired they get and the more opportunity we have to score. It's simple.

So can we just calm down a bit first half please?
 

Any team that tried to keep the ball as much as Everton do, will be accused at times of over egging the pudding.

The number of goals scored this season does back that up too.

Still, better to watch and let's hope it long continues.
 
To be honest, I thought Swansea had the better of the first half. Their pressing game was really good and they were a bit more incisive with their passing. Not for the first time this season, our substitutions really made a difference and we gained control of the game (helped by a shocking back pass).
 
I don't think it was us wanting to lump it, it was just wanting to be more assertive going forward...if anything, just to keep them guessing. You need to have unpredictability and we don't get that from the back.
 
I agree with the sentiment of Azzurri's post, but I just don't think we have the centre halves to play the way Martinez wants.

Distin and Jagielka on the ball are disasters waiting to happen at the back. Every time both got the ball and tried to play it out today, my heart was in my mouth. They're just not comfortable doing it. Stones was made a bit of a scapegoat after the derby, but if Stones was doing some of the stuff that Distin was doing today, he'd be getting loads of stick.

I like the idea of playing out from the back (as long as it is done quickly, with pace, as we were doing in November/December), but sometimes the passing for passing's sake, and the ridiculously risky and illogical balls played rather than clearing it (case in point - Pienaar's suicidal ball across his own box that went out for a Swansea corner) really have to stop if we are to make progress going forward. Doing that sort of stuff makes it understandable why some are having a moan.
 

BoysInBlue said:
I agree with the sentiment of Azzurri's post, but I just don't think we have the centre halves to play the way Martinez wants.

Distin and Jagielka on the ball are disasters waiting to happen at the back. Every time both got the ball and tried to play it out today, my heart was in my mouth. They're just not comfortable doing it. Stones was made a bit of a scapegoat after the derby, but if Stones was doing some of the stuff that Distin was doing today, he'd be getting loads of stick.

I like the idea of playing out from the back (as long as it is done quickly, with pace, as we were doing in November/December), but sometimes the passing for passing's sake, and the ridiculously risky and illogical balls played rather than clearing it (case in point - Pienaar's suicidal ball across his own box that went out for a Swansea corner) really have to stop if we are to make progress going forward. Doing that sort of stuff makes it understandable why some are having a moan.
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This basically. Distin and Jagielka need someone to pass to in space, but often there is no one and the movement is poor. We can't just pass it around at a snail's pace and wait for the opposition to get tired.
 
"Loads of moaning" ? - bit of an overstatement that and in fact the team got a fair few claps going off at HT.
 
Alcaraz and Stones are technically more suited to the style, but Jagielka and Distin are better defenders....therein lies the conundrum. Personally, I'd go with one of each - one 'baller and one defender. Alcaraz based on experience, with Distin because of his superior pace to Jagielka.....although I could equally make an argument for Stones based on his potential and Jags based on his 'die for the cause' approach.
 

Distin and Jagielka aren't Xavi and Iniesta, no, but how many goals conceded this season can be directly attributed to them passing it out from the back? The only one I can think of is Osman who's technically good anyway.

They did get clapped off yeah but I thought there was a fair bit of groaning at times. Unless it was just from the people behind.
 
agreed azz, we all accepted we wouldn't go through the whole season without their being one cock-up.

we've been to OT, Emirates and WHL and been the better team and looked really calm at all three. none of this hoof the ball back to the opposition and invite pressure.

distin and jags have been a bit iffy lately with the ball at their feet though, they'd been fine for the first half of the season.
 
Brennan said:
Loads of moaning isn't an overstatement, i was in the UG and there was plenty of complaining about it.
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That's where I was so it makes sense.

The upper is for old folks who aren't lively enough for the lower these days so just spend their time moaning instead.
 

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