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I woke up this morning feeling a little bit down. I’m usually optimistic when it comes to Everton. Well I have been for the majority of the Moyes era anyway. The thing is I’m really struggling to see where we go from here.

After steadying the ship on his arrival and a few yoyo seasons Moyes gradually steered Everton to become an established top six club in England. Obviously we had that amazing season where we finished fourth in 04/05, followed by an underwhelming 05/06, but by the end of 06/07 we had found our way back to sixth place. The next season we managed to improve on that with a fifth placed and I remember thinking at that time, can we do this again? At that time we were neck and neck with Aston Villa, Spurs were poised and ready to challenge again and Man City had just become rich (and were soon to become obscenely rich). However we held them all off and finished fifth again and almost added the FA Cup to our cabinet which was another great achievement in my eyes considering our lack of finances compared to our competitors. After that FA Cup final in 2009 though I struggled to see how we could progress any further. Surely Man City would overtake us now they had become billionaires, Spurs were still splashing the cash and actually stabilising now, and Aston Villa and even Sunderland were tipped to push us aside due to their superior finances. As we know we were pushed down to 8th place last season and this year it could be worse.
The way it stands right now we are obviously a million miles away from competing with Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and now Man City and Spurs financially. Liverpool for all their problems will no doubt have money pumped into them from somewhere for them to step above us again in the near future. Aston Villa have suddenly found £18 million to throw at Darren Bent, again sums of money we can’t possibly compete with. Even Sunderland, Stoke, Newcastle, Birmingham and Blackburn can or will soon enough be able to outspend us. Not only that our team that probably peaked in 2009 is starting to break up with no sign of anyone coming in as replacements. David Moyes thinks, and probably rightfully so because of finances that a top half finish is the best we can hope for these days. So surely it won’t be long before a lot more of our players follow Pienaar out of the door because either they want to try and find success somewhere else because it’s not going to be possible at Everton or because the club needs to sell them to raise funds.

Even more worrying for me is how long will Moyes continue to stay with us knowing that he may have taken us as far as he possibly can under the circumstances? And if he does leave, what other decent manager would want to work here under such strict financial restraints and expect to get success? How much longer can we be expected to defy the odds and compete with much richer teams around us? I really am worried that this could be the start of a downward spiral back down table.
 

That's a fine post mate.

Wake up and smell the coffee Evertonians.[/QUOTE

MMMMMMMMMMMMM Smells good!!!

Some good points ,and I understand were you are coming from mate.But I still believe the season is not a right off.The squad we have is good enough ,we are all suprised by out league position ,but we are good enough to compete certainly for a eurpoean place and or a decent cup run.We were tipped to be challenging for a top 4 place the beginning of August.The squad is the strongest it´s been for years.We need some consistancy and results against the teams around us not just the big occasions.Be all and end all is We need results .
 
That's a fine post mate.

Wake up and smell the coffee Evertonians.[/QUOTE

MMMMMMMMMMMMM Smells good!!!

Some good points ,and I understand were you are coming from mate.But I still believe the season is not a right off.The squad we have is good enough ,we are all suprised by out league position ,but we are good enough to compete certainly for a eurpoean place and or a decent cup run.We were tipped to be challenging for a top 4 place the beginning of August.The squad is the strongest it´s been for years.We need some consistancy and results against the teams around us not just the big occasions.Be all and end all is We need results .

We do need results your right we also need to get out of january when the transfer window is closed cos its scaring me at the moment
 
Some good points ,and I understand were you are coming from mate.But I still believe the season is not a right off.The squad we have is good enough ,we are all suprised by out league position ,but we are good enough to compete certainly for a eurpoean place and or a decent cup run.We were tipped to be challenging for a top 4 place the beginning of August.The squad is the strongest it´s been for years.We need some consistancy and results against the teams around us not just the big occasions.Be all and end all is We need results.

But it really isn't

How can you say that when we're desperate for striker/wingers
 

I woke up this morning feeling a little bit down. I’m usually optimistic when it comes to Everton. Well I have been for the majority of the Moyes era anyway. The thing is I’m really struggling to see where we go from here.

After steadying the ship on his arrival and a few yoyo seasons Moyes gradually steered Everton to become an established top six club in England. Obviously we had that amazing season where we finished fourth in 04/05, followed by an underwhelming 05/06, but by the end of 06/07 we had found our way back to sixth place. The next season we managed to improve on that with a fifth placed and I remember thinking at that time, can we do this again? At that time we were neck and neck with Aston Villa, Spurs were poised and ready to challenge again and Man City had just become rich (and were soon to become obscenely rich). However we held them all off and finished fifth again and almost added the FA Cup to our cabinet which was another great achievement in my eyes considering our lack of finances compared to our competitors. After that FA Cup final in 2009 though I struggled to see how we could progress any further. Surely Man City would overtake us now they had become billionaires, Spurs were still splashing the cash and actually stabilising now, and Aston Villa and even Sunderland were tipped to push us aside due to their superior finances. As we know we were pushed down to 8th place last season and this year it could be worse.
The way it stands right now we are obviously a million miles away from competing with Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and now Man City and Spurs financially. Liverpool for all their problems will no doubt have money pumped into them from somewhere for them to step above us again in the near future. Aston Villa have suddenly found £18 million to throw at Darren Bent, again sums of money we can’t possibly compete with. Even Sunderland, Stoke, Newcastle, Birmingham and Blackburn can or will soon enough be able to outspend us. Not only that our team that probably peaked in 2009 is starting to break up with no sign of anyone coming in as replacements. David Moyes thinks, and probably rightfully so because of finances that a top half finish is the best we can hope for these days. So surely it won’t be long before a lot more of our players follow Pienaar out of the door because either they want to try and find success somewhere else because it’s not going to be possible at Everton or because the club needs to sell them to raise funds.

Even more worrying for me is how long will Moyes continue to stay with us knowing that he may have taken us as far as he possibly can under the circumstances? And if he does leave, what other decent manager would want to work here under such strict financial restraints and expect to get success? How much longer can we be expected to defy the odds and compete with much richer teams around us? I really am worried that this could be the start of a downward spiral back down table.

I think you're spot on there mate.

We can't continue to compete in the Premier League with such financial restraints.

I can't imagine anyone coming in if Moyes left due to the same financial restraints.

I know some posters on here back Moyes and Kenwright, but DaveK's no fool, he's right in what he says about Kenwright.

Bill is doing nothing to ease our frustration except pretending he is frustrated himself.

But I don't think its a case of "wake up and smell the coffee".

I smell it every morning like many Evertonians and it stinks. But there is nothing we can do, is there???
 
I think you're spot on there mate.

We can't continue to compete in the Premier League with such financial restraints.

I can't imagine anyone coming in if Moyes left due to the same financial restraints.

I know some posters on here back Moyes and Kenwright, but DaveK's no fool, he's right in what he says about Kenwright.

Bill is doing nothing to ease our frustration except pretending he is frustrated himself.

But I don't think its a case of "wake up and smell the coffee".

I smell it every morning like many Evertonians and it stinks. But there is nothing we can do, is there???

Short of doing what the Kopites did or rigging the Euromillions then there really isn't anything we can do.
 
Short of doing what the Kopites did or rigging the Euromillions then there really isn't anything we can do.

I know mate.

Realistic options are:

-Write a letter of complaint.

-Make T-shirts of our complaint.

-Make Banners of our complaint.

-Ring into radio shows complaining.

-Start complaining on Facebook.

-Throw cushions at Bill.

Rubbish, ain't it?
 
Moyes is to blame for what happens on the pitch and not getting the best out of a squad fergie and wenger said would compete for the top 4.

The board are to blame for not bein able to sign or resign players to help push us forward.

Since 09, clubs have caught up and overtaken us.

Without investment and and extra dimension tactically...we wont go anywhere.
 
Moyes is to blame for what happens on the pitch and not getting the best out of a squad fergie and wenger said would compete for the top 4.

The board are to blame for not bein able to sign or resign players to help push us forward.

Since 09, clubs have caught up and overtaken us.

Without investment and and extra dimension tactically...we wont go anywhere.

we will start to sink. you can not afford to tread water.
 

But it really isn't

How can you say that when we're desperate for striker/wingers

Desperate?I don´t think thats the word I´d use .We need the strikers we´ve got to stay fit(Saha) and score more(Beckford),yes we could do with a striker agreed .But the transfer window is still open and hope springs enternal.Wingers we´ve got two on the bench one we bought for 9 million, Transfer time always makes poeple fear the worst . I hate it .I am not saying I am unconcerned but I don´t think it´s as dark as all that .But could certainly go that way if results don´t improve and nothing changes by the end of the season.But then again a good run in the league or the cup could change it the other way.
 
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