Murder in the Outback

[TippEverton]

He had her hair tie years later did he not?
Multi DNA evidence on her, their car, restraints, he was in the immediate area and was a violent criminal who had recently dodged a kidnapping charge.
I dunno, it's definitely a strange case but reckon they have their man here.

Obv parallels with Amanda Knox case where she's almost certainly lying about events, vilified by the media for not conforming to 'correct' grieving procedure, but there's still no way she did it.

Only one piece of dna was definitely his though, on the back of her shirt, the rest was unproven and could no longer be used if the case were to be heard today.

It's also pretty clear that he wasn't involved in the kidnapping case that you mention.

Don't know about conforming to the grieving procedure she just looked well dodgy and didn't seem to want to do anything to help people find her boyfriend, that's just plain weird and wrong.

I find it really odd she was in constant communication with this other bloke whilst all this was going on, none of us know what happened but I definitely wouldn't rule out her involvement.

 

[TippEverton]

I’m never keen on these real life murder docs as they are purely for entertainment purposes taking advantage of real life deaths. Then I get people at work turning into amateur sleuths saying things like ‘he definitely did it’ etc etc. The evidence laid out is deliberately manipulated by the producers to lead the viewers down multiple narratives of their choosing.
Anyways... happy weekend guys.

Ya, that's pretty much all the programme done, produce evidence to support every argument.

Don't think we'll ever know for sure.

 

[COYBL25]

Only one piece of dna was definitely his though, on the back of her shirt, the rest was unproven and could no longer be used if the case were to be heard today.

It's also pretty clear that he wasn't involved in the kidnapping case that you mention.

Don't know about conforming to the grieving procedure she just looked well dodgy and didn't seem to want to do anything to help people find her boyfriend, that's just plain weird and wrong.

I find it really odd she was in constant communication with this other bloke whilst all this was going on, none of us know what happened but I definitely wouldn't rule out her involvement.

My take on it was this :

When a person is truly in fear of their life, the brain goes into full on survival mode and does some weird things to put you on hyper drive to run away - tunnel vision, hearing becomes acute, loosening of the bowels, massive adrenaline surge and time seems to slow down.

Her story appears dodgy, as she was interviewed when she was coming down from the full on " fight or flight " mode she`d been in only hours before. Her recollection would`ve been massively affected by this, hence some aspects of her version of events didn`t fit with the crime scene. They should have got a short " first account "interview off her and then let her rest before doing a proper interview with her.

Only my opinion, but she came across as a controlling person and it looked to me like she was enjoying the attention and also controlling the whole thing.

The disgraced ex solicitor who did the enquiry had no credibility at all - struck off for importing coke to feed his habit.

Virtually everything that he found was conjecture or based on his opinion or that of a convenient expert that`d he found.

The two truck drivers who found her, described her as being terrified like they`ve never seen anyone terrified before - you can`t fake that.

The later interview with truck driver, who claimed to have seen another car just down the road, with two blokes pushing and shoving another bloke, wasn`t worth a carrot. Why didn`t he tell the Police this at the time and also he was clearly off his trolley when he was being re interviewed.

The disgraced solicitor tried to explain the DNA found on the back of her shirt, as being transferred from the rear of a chair onto her shirt, in the cafe that they`d both visited.

Utter nonsense ( imo ) - He`d been there 3 hours earlier than the girl, any blood transferred onto the shirt would be dry by the time she got there and that`s IF she sat at that chair.

The DNA on her shirt alone was damning and that by it`self would`ve been enough to convict him in the UK.

Did he do it - YES.

Did she do it - NO

Did she lie - Possibly, but only to keep control of what was going on and also because she enjoyed the attention.

 

[caught]

I’m never keen on these real life murder docs as they are purely for entertainment purposes taking advantage of real life deaths. Then I get people at work turning into amateur sleuths saying things like ‘he definitely did it’ etc etc. The evidence laid out is deliberately manipulated by the producers to lead the viewers down multiple narratives of their choosing.
Anyways... happy weekend guys.

Agreed. It's often the case that far too much substance is omitted and elided in order to amplify the drama of these cases. I mean, one should imagine that humans potentially murdering one another and the processes of an imperfect and often crooked system to get justice would be dramatic enough. I remember feeling that way after Making a Murderer and then reading up afterwards (like everyone did). It was great TV but the level of artifice involved undermined what was so engrossing about it.

I think The Jinx is the closest to a successful version of this sort of documentary, as the invesitgative journalism proved very important (avoiding spoilers). But, even here, there were serious issues with how the finale was edited.

Re. Falconio: I was already pretty familiar with the case as I was just about to go on a long road trip through Australia when the trial started. One of the friends I was traveling with was obsessed with it (and I'm pretty sure she had blended it with the film Wolf Creek in her head so the two were the same thing) so I'd get regular and ridiculously detailed updates. Seems like it was a poor trial from both sides but, ultimately, Murdoch was likely the killer. Lees seems like a cold and odd character but one that had evidently gone through pretty outrageous trauma, so it's difficult to judge. I thought the documentary was utter bollocks though, faeces thrown in every direction to see what might stick and a fair few bellends who seemed utterly clueless about what their jobs entailed.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

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Agreed. It's often the case that far too much substance is omitted and elided in order to amplify the drama of these cases. I mean, one should imagine that humans potentially murdering one another and the processes of an imperfect and often crooked system to get justice would be dramatic enough. I remember feeling that way after Making a Murderer and then reading up afterwards (like everyone did). It was great TV but the level of artifice involved undermined what was so engrossing about it.

I think The Jinx is the closest to a successful version of this sort of documentary, as the invesitgative journalism proved very important (avoiding spoilers). But, even here, there were serious issues with how the finale was edited.

Re. Falconio: I was already pretty familiar with the case as I was just about to go on a long road trip through Australia when the trial started. One of the friends I was traveling with was obsessed with it (and I'm pretty sure she had blended it with the film Wolf Creek in her head so the two were the same thing) so I'd get regular and ridiculously detailed updates. Seems like it was a poor trial from both sides but, ultimately, Murdoch was likely the killer. Lees seems like a cold and odd character but one that had evidently gone through pretty outrageous trauma, so it's difficult to judge. I thought the documentary was utter bollocks though, faeces thrown in every direction to see what might stick and a fair few bellends who seemed utterly clueless about what their jobs entailed.

Must be pretty horrible for the parent’s and family of the individuals involved. Having everything brought up again for the sake of some quick cash. I know a guy who had a family member killed by someone well known. Hoping they don’t bring this case up again as it was, and still is, extremely traumatic for the family.

 

[canuckblue]

Someone's steak was overcooked?

 

[Seathestars]

I’m still in two minds.
She seems like a bit of a Rose West but what about the two wagon drivers who found her.
She appeared terrified when they came across her. But my gut tells me she’s organised it.

 

[Cellardweller]

Just watched the first two episodes today. She seems like a wrong un.