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Moyes Out? Pep wants to manage in England.

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Guardiola played for many years under a system that Cruyff set up, he was taught this system every day. He then coached that same system to a team of players who had been coached in that very same way for years previously. He brought a few players in, one of the most prominent of those was Fabregas, who, when younger had grown up on that style of coaching. I'm not saying that he never did a good job, or that he is not a good coach. What i am saying however, is that he would find it immeasurably more difficult to turn up at a club in England, and turn that club into his style of football. I am also unsure as to whether he could adapt his style sufficiently in the formative years of being at that club to grind out the results needed to keep him at a club for long enough to change their ways.

The entire set-up of Barcelona has led to the success of Guardiola, rather than just his own talent or knowledge. Tito Villanova will also, i am sure, be a very successful coach at Barca, but how are they playing differently now to how they did 18 months ago?

It is the ideals, systems, methods and the beliefs at Barca which make them successful, NOT the individual coaches.

Yep.

If you listen to Spanish football pundits Barca are actually playing better football than they ever did under Guardiola, despite the press acting like Tito would have some massive job on his hands.

It's not dissimilar from what Rodgers fell into at Swansea, in terms of not having to adapt the team's play style.
 

If a manager took over everton then won us our first cup and first league in 40 odd years and beat Liverpool 6-1 at anfield, I'd be quite fond of them, too.

I see what you mean. But given his budget, winning the league is the absolute MINIMUM you would expect.

Popularity is one thing, but arguing that winning the league with a budget of 500 million pound is an indicator of being a top class manager is rather different.

If Moyes was given 500 million pound to spend, and we still had to rely on goal difference to win the league, then I WOULD be calling for him to go. I certainly wouldn't have to spend time contemplating if someone asked me if I'd prefer Mourinho or Mancini/Moyes.
 
I see what you mean. But given his budget, winning the league is the absolute MINIMUM you would expect.

Popularity is one thing, but arguing that winning the league with a budget of 500 million pound is an indicator of being a top class manager is rather different.

If Moyes was given 500 million pound to spend, and we still had to rely on goal difference to win the league, then I WOULD be calling for him to go. I certainly wouldn't have to spend time contemplating if someone asked me if I'd prefer Mourinho or Mancini/Moyes.

Even if we beat the shabite 6-1 at Anfield as well?
 

Yep.

If you listen to Spanish football pundits Barca are actually playing better football than they ever did under Guardiola, despite the press acting like Tito would have some massive job on his hands.

It's not dissimilar from what Rodgers fell into at Swansea, in terms of not having to adapt the team's play style.

YES! Swansea are a better side now, as they have a plan B, as proved against us at the weekend. Before Laudrup got the chance to stamp his style on the team, and they were still playing the same as last year under Rodgers, we battered them 3-0 (should've been more). But now he has got into them he is adapting their style depending on the opposition.

The ONLY reason Rodgers may finish above Swansea is because, like it or not, Liverpool have better players than Swansea. This is NOT the mark of a quality manager.
 
Rather have David thanks.

I'm not even a David Moyes fan, and I'd rather have David Moyes.

Guardiola hasn't actually done anything of note. I know that sounds daft on paper, but he inherited Messi and basically did exactly the same as Rijkaard etc. did before him.

I'd like to see him prove himself at a club other than Barcelona before I class him as genuine top drawer.
 
He'll go to someone with money.

I really want to one day see one of these so called 'great managers' manage an average team and see what happens.

That's one of my biggest gripes with players. nobody wants a challenge anymore. look at upcoming players, they all want to move to a champions league club. nobody wants to be THE player that led a team there; picked them up by the gruff of their neck and WILLED a team to win..
 
Always thought Guardiola is overrated as a coach. He seemed to be just given everything rather than building it. Would be interesting to see how he gets on at a club where he'd have to build things from scratch
 
He'll go to someone with money.

I really want to one day see one of these so called 'great managers' manage an average team and see what happens.

I'd love to see that myself actually.

I know he was never considered even close to great but Sven Goran Eriksson was badly found out after he left the England post.
 

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