Most corrupt sport poll

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course, it does come across as extremely amateurish, no debate from me there, but that seems the extent of the evidence at the moment, that a team that prides itself on being incredibly professional, now appears bungling, therefore they must be covering something up. That may be true, but to be honest I can't be doing with the ins and outs of that. If the people trusted with catching dopers find something, then it's a story. The rest is gossip and hearsay.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That "Stuff" being the actual original "Cause Celbre" (soz on spelling) that Brailsford built the Sky team on though. "Win Clean".

It isnt the wrong wheel being put on a bike, its the management of their proof to substantiate their main reason to actually exist. So if I was a journo, I would find that a pretty good reason to drill down a bit.

But they don't give two hoots about the sport. They're not doing it to purify the sport or right a wrong, they're doing it because it's 'scandalous' and appeals to the kind of people who might catch a bit of cycling for a week or two in July or during the Olympics and probably couldn't name the past world champions riding for Sky (as an easy example).

As it is, the team have already tightened up on their TUE protocols so that 2 doctors have to sign any off, and they did that back in 2013.

You've got to hand it to them though, the Russian hackers have done a grand job taking the attention away from state sponsored doping in Russia. That they probably managed to get a complete imbecile elected President is undoubtedly a bonus.

 

[Armel]

Of course, it does come across as extremely amateurish, no debate from me there, but that seems the extent of the evidence at the moment, that a team that prides itself on being incredibly professional, now appears bungling, therefore they must be covering something up. That may be true, but to be honest I can't be doing with the ins and outs of that. If the people trusted with catching dopers find something, then it's a story. The rest is gossip and hearsay.

The thing is sometimes negligence isn't tolerated. Also an extremely clean team, like they say, that doesn't keep track of records is just ridiculous.

Also lightly obtained TUE's are just unfair towards your colleagues; see Dumoulin et al... The Viagra story, if true, confirms the extent of their marginal gains. Yes it's legal to cycle around with loads of Viagra down your bloodstream, but is it fair? I remember Andrea Moletta; he got caught with 90 (I think?) Viagra tablets during the Giro. They sent him home, even though it was legal; well that and Gerolsteiner was a team of dopers and they already had problems at the time.

For me Brailsford has to go; he's the guy responsible for it all and a huge hypocrite.

Also their TUE protocols are still very minimal requirements.

 

[WycombeToffee]

I've got to say, I used to write off the Clinic as bitter, wacko conspiracy theorists (especially about Sky) but I am gradually being brought around to their view. Wiggins' win in particular is very dodgy. I sincerely hope that Froome isn't doping though. He's always come across as much more open and honest.

 

[Wat Tyler]

I've got to say, I used to write off the Clinic as bitter, wacko conspiracy theorists (especially about Sky) but I am gradually being brought around to their view. Wiggins' win in particular is very dodgy. I sincerely hope that Froome isn't doping though. He's always come across as much more open and honest.

The Clinic get some things right, but literally everyone in every sport os doping according to them. I remember reading Muamba had probably been doping on there because he collapsed ffs. My favourite one was when Porte did a good performance and they said "he was smiling his way up the climb." A Lance on every drug under the sun was still in agony, Porte has got a weird grimace but it's obvious to a three year old it's not a smile: the point is, they see what they want to see.

 

[Moomin]

The Clinic get some things right, but literally everyone in every sport os doping according to them. I remember reading Muamba had probably been doping on there because he collapsed ffs. My favourite one was when Porte did a good performance and they said "he was smiling his way up the climb." A Lance on every drug under the sun was still in agony, Porte has got a weird grimace but it's obvious to a three year old it's not a smile: the point is, they see what they want to see.

I'd agree, doping is happening in every sport at elite level.

 

[evilwebby]

That's the beauty innit. You can be literally centimetres from your heroes as they compete, and it's for free. What's more, you can go and cycle in the very same 'arenas' as your heroes. For instance:

Speed skating is like that, but even more so. Some of my club mates are right there bumping shoulders with the likes of Bart Swings and the other top skaters at the start of the Berlin marathon each year. and then again at the after-race party in the evening. It's quite surreal, really

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Don't know about rugby but I think there is corruption in all the other sports in the poll - I really couldn't choose one above the other

Necking steroids like they're going out of style in rugby - No one's arsed (yet) because it's sort of expected behaviour if you're from St Helens or the Welsh valleys. Need a couple of the English players from more privileged areas to get done in order to lift the lid of it.

Rugby union refs certainly have the potential for corruption - they hold an unusual amount of power over the outcome of the game, way more than in football for example. The top guys seem to be mini-celebrities in their own right, so are probably too high profile, and it doesn't seem to be the sort of game people bet on much [is it?] that would drive that sort of criminality.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Graham ?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Love the mountains. NEA.