Moneyball. It is witchcraft.

roydo · January 28, 2016

For all your Moneyball chat.

Think its bobbins myself.

ijjysmith · January 28, 2016

Shouldn't this be in World Baseball?

roydo · January 28, 2016

ijjysmith said:
Shouldn't this be in World Baseball?

Sake.

kithnou · January 28, 2016

I still say Moneyballs would be a great 70s porn star name myself...

SerenityNigh · January 28, 2016

roydo said:
For all your Moneyball chat.

Think its bobbins myself.

Mate, nobody wants to chat moneyball. Everyone just wants to argue in the threads that matter.

Also, pardon my ~~ignorance~~Americance, but what's a bobbins?

Tigger · January 28, 2016

What's moneyball?

summerisle · January 28, 2016

SerenityNigh said:
Mate, nobody wants to chat moneyball. Everyone just wants to argue in the threads that matter.

Also, pardon my ~~ignorance~~Americance, but what's a bobbins?

He's in the manure.

Groucho · January 28, 2016

Tigger said:
What's moneyball?

If someone could answer this question in this thread that'd be ace.

ijjysmith · January 28, 2016

Tigger said:
What's moneyball?

Groucho said:
If someone could answer this question in this thread that'd be ace.

It's a Baseball thing mate.

Basically a team (Oakland Athletics...but crap and poor like Everton) changed their entire approach to the game using stats rather than star players and the like and went on a massive like 18 game winning steak or something.

Then they went crap again.

There's a great movie with Brad Pitt all about it pal. Watch it. It's good

ijjysmith · January 28, 2016

Oh. Probs wouldn't work in footy.

Deleted member 28206 · January 28, 2016

Crap film.

ijjysmith · January 28, 2016

Bryan said:
Crap film.

LOL NO

SerenityNigh · January 28, 2016

ijjysmith said:
It's a Baseball thing mate.

Basically a team (Oakland Athletics...but crap and poor like Everton) changed their entire approach to the game using stats rather than star players and the like and went on a massive like 18 game winning steak or something.

Then they went crap again.

There's a great movie with Brad Pitt all about it pal. Watch it. It's good

I'd be disappointed at this copy/paste effort, but not sure I really expect any different.

ijjysmith · January 28, 2016

SerenityNigh said:
I'd be disappointed at this copy/paste effort, but not sure I really expect any different.

Be actual arsed retyping all that crap.

SerenityNigh · January 28, 2016

Tigger said:
What's moneyball?

Groucho said:
If someone could answer this question in this thread that'd be ace.

Like IJ said, popularized first by the Michael Lewis book (excellent), and then the Brad Pitt movie (not seen--will take IJ's word for it), it's the organizational strategy used by the Oakland A's in the late 90's/early 00's to be competitive against big-money baseball teams. Their advantage was gained using data (lots of data in baseball) and focusing on ignored/undervalued qualities. In baseball, reaching base with a hit is irrationally valued far more than reaching with a walk; they have roughly equivalent value, but some players with low batting average (i.e., poor stats) but great walk rates (which are not counted in BA) generate the same production as the sexier, high-BA player.

Whether "moneyball" as a system can be applied outside of baseball, or even data-loaded sports, is debatable. NBA and hockey seem to have had similar movements, but NFL hasn't been as quick to adopt. Some argue that it can't be applied to football since there isn't reliable data to exploit (@RaleighBlue). I think there's a lot to be gained, but maybe this is closer to what Everton already do (basically, @Allezfan asked me what the hell am I talking about?).