Media and bookmakers working together to promote seabass.

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Think the media have been very naughty today with their approach and coverage of seabass. When i walked into the bookies this afternoon and the price was 7/1 i almost laughed but the amount of people i saw just ticking seabass to win £5 time and time again made me think that this was just one massive scam.

seabass was heavy in the weights, was in worse form than last year, wasnt high in the ratings, history says that the winner would never come from here. the horses that were promoted in the press allday totally flopped.

the front runners or horses with credentials to win in the racing post all turned up.

Across the bay - front runner will run in front for as long it can. did so for 28 fences. but has chased on heavy ground over 3m three times. took 40/1
Balthazar king - front runner will run in front questions over trip. but did so till after canal turn. maybe went to hard at beginning as across the bay was going hard. took 20/1
Teeforthree - another one who will want to be at the front but will make the trip and is a grand national horse you expect to make top 4. took 12/1
coppa bleu - state of play trainer expect a massive run and has form over other horses in race. took 14/1

my mrs backed oscar time, aurora encore and sool as she just wanted low weight horses. and got lucky. but looking at the form of two of the three they all had pedigree and could make the trip. yet the media remained silent.
yet the media and bookies allday pushed four horses with no grand national form or in their prime; seabass, on your own, chicago grey and imperial commander.

the winner after the race everyone was saying he only just lost the scottish national and doesnt like running in th ecold and always blossoms later in the season and runs all day. YET NO-ONE said that before the race. only the racing post said worth a shout and worth a place.
 
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A female jockey.
Course and distance form.. ( It ran well in the race last year mate ! )
Surname Walsh !

10/1 available first thing..
 

A female jockey.
Course and distance form.. ( It ran well in the race last year mate ! )
Surname Walsh !

10/1 available first thing..

last year it carried less weight
last year it won every race it started
last year it came 3rd and was the right age of 9.

very rarely do horses come get beat place and comeback to win it. the place is the best they do. hedgehunter was a true beast of a horse state of play another one who loved 4m+.

what i find surprising is donald mccain has a horse like across the bay who just wants to frontrun thought the mccain trained their horses different to that. but ran great today.
 
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last year it carried less weight
last year it won every race it started
last year it came 3rd and was the right age of 9.

very rarely do horses come get beat place and win it. the place is the best they do.

Erm.. the winner was 11 ?

The winners form - UOP45F5 - Yeah.. you have a cracking point like...
 
I worked in the bookies a few years back trust me I know all the secrets ;)

can you tell me how much my mrs has won today?

oscar time £1 e/w 66/1 - £2 stake came 4th
aurora encore £2 e/w 66/1 - £4 stake came 1st.
 

Erm.. the winner was 11 ?

The winners form - UOP45F5 - Yeah.. you have a cracking point like...

look at seabasses form last year compared to this?

he was a smaller price this year yet in worse form and a lower rating higher weight. yet went of 13/2 LOL LOL LOL
 
how many 11 years old have won the national since ww2?



2013

Auroras Encore

11

10-03

Mrs S Smith

Ryan Mania

66/1



2012

Neptune Collonges

11

11-06

P Nicholls

D Jacob

33/1



2011

Ballabriggs

10

11-00

D McCain

J Maguire

14/1



2010

Don't Push It

10

11-05

J O'Neill

AP McCoy

10/1JF



2009

Mon Mome

9

11-00

Miss V Williams

L Treadwell

100/1



2008

Comply Or Die

9

10-09

D E Pipe

T Murphy

7/1JF



2007

Silver Birch

10

10-06

G Elliott

R M Power

33/1



2006

Numbersixvalverde

10

10-08

M Brassil

N P Madden

11/1



2005

Hedgehunter

9

11-01

W P Mullins

R Walsh

7/1F



2004

Amberleigh House

12

10-10

D McCain

G Lee

16/1



2003

Monty´s Pass

10

10-07

JJ Mangan

B J Geraghty

16/1



2002

Bindaree

8

10-04

N A Twiston-Davies

J Culloty

20/1



2001

Red Marauder

11

10-11

N B Mason

Richard Guest

33/1



2000

Papillon

9

10-12

T M Walsh

R Walsh

10/1



1999

Bobbyjo

9

10-00

T Carberry

P Carberry

10/1



1998

Earth Summit

10

10-05

N A Twiston-Davies

C Llewellyn

7/1F



1997

Lord Gyllene

9

10-00

S A Brookshaw

A Dobbin

14/1



1996

Rough Quest

10

10-07

T Casey

M A Fitzgerald

7/1F



1995

Royal Athlete

12

10-06

Mrs J Pitman

J F Titley

40/1



1994

Miinnehoma

11

10-08

M C Pipe

R Dunwoody

16/1



1992

Party Politics

8

10-07

N A Gaselee

C Llewellyn

14/1



1991

Seagram

11

10-06

D H Barons

N Hawke

12/1



1990

Mr Frisk

11

10-06

K C Bailey

Mr M Armytage

16/1



1989

Little Polveir

12

10-03

G B Balding

J Frost

28/1



1988

Rhyme ´N´ Reason

9

11-00

D R C Elsworth

B Powell

10/1



1987

Maori Venture

11

10-13

A Turnell

S Knight

28/1



1986

West Tip

9

10-11

M Oliver

R Dunwoody

15/2



1985

Last Suspect

11

10-05

T Forster

H Davies

50/1



1984

Hallo Dandy

10

10-02

G Richards

N Doughty

13/1



1983

Corbiere

8

11-04

Mrs J Pitman

B de Haan

13/1



1982

Grittar

9

11-05

F Gilman

Mr R Saunders

7/1F



1981

Aldaniti

11

10-13

J Gifford

R Champion

10/1



1980

Ben Nevis

12

10-12

T Forster

Mr C Fenwick

40/1



1979

Rubstic

10

10-00

S J Leadbetter

M Barnes

25/1



1978

Lucius

9

10-09

G W Richards

B R Davies

14/1



1977

Red Rum

12

11-08

D McCain

T Stack

9/1



1976

Rag Trade

10

10-12

T F Rimell

J Burke

14/1



1975

L'Escargot

12

11-03

D Moore

T Carberry

13/2



1974

Red Rum

9

12-00

D McCain

B Fletcher

11/1



1973

Red Rum

8

10-05

D McCain

B Fletcher

9/1



1972

Well To Do

9

10-01

Capt. T A Forster

G Thorner

14/1



1971

Specify

9

10-13

J Sutcliffe

J Cook

28/1



1970

Gay Trip

8

11-05

T F Rimell

P Taaffe

15/1



1969

Highland Wedding

12

10-04

T Balding

E Harty

100/9



1968

Red Alligator

9

10-0

D Smith

B Fletcher

100/7



1967

Foinavon

9

10-0

J Kempton

J Buckingham

100/1



1966

Anglo

8

10-0

F Winter

T Norman

50/1



1965

Jay Trump

8

11-05

F Winter

T Smith

100/6



1964

Team Spirit

12

10-03

F Walwyn

W Robinson

18/1



1963

Ayala

9

10-00

K Piggott

P Buckley

66/1



1962

Kilmore

12

10-04

R Price

F Winter

28/1



1961

Nicolaus Silver

9

10-01

F Rimell

B Beasley

28/1



1960

Merryman II

9

10-12

N Crump

G Scott

13/2F



1959

Oxo

8

10-13

M Scudamore

W Stephenson

8/1



1958

Mr. What

8

10-06

T Taaffe, Sr.

A Freeman

18/1



1957

Sundew

11

11-07

F Hudson

F Winter

20/1



1956

ESB

10

11-03

F Rimell

D Dick

100/7



1955

Quare Times

9

11-00

V O'Brien

P Taaffe

100/9



1954

Royal Tan

10

11-07

V O'Brien

B Marshall

8/1



1953

Early Mist

8

11-02

V O'Brien

B Marshall

20/1



1952

Teal

10

10-12

N Crump

A Thompson

100/7



1951

Nickel Coin

9

10-01

J O'Donoghue

J Bullock

40/1



1950

Freebooter

9

11-11

B Renton

J Power

10/1
 

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