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Mandatory Covid Vaccines for Premier League players

Should vaccines be mandatory in the Premier and other European Leagues

  • Yes! These leagues should require it to prevent future outbreaks and mandating footballers to get

    Votes: 80 60.6%

  • No! Footballers should have the freedom and choice to decide if they want it or not

    Votes: 32 24.2%

  • As long as footballers have a way to get tested they shouldn’t have to be obligated to take it.

    Votes: 22 16.7%

  • The government should have a national mandate so Clubs don’t have to maje

    Votes: 6 4.5%
  • Total voters
    132
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NathDogg said:
People have a choice on being vaccinated or not, it doesn't make them selfish if they have concerns - it's their choice, just as it is mine to be vaccinated.

This vitriolic and derogatory language some are using doesn't help anyone.

Virusess will mutate in vaccinated individuals also, just at a lower rate, but a deadly mutation could still happen there.
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Selfish people nea
 
Man Utd just cancelled their preseason game against Preston due to an outbreak, leaving their game against us as the only chance for most of their first team to play. Arsenal and Norwich had problems too. This season is not going to go smoothly.
 
aazak said:
Man Utd just cancelled their preseason game against Preston due to an outbreak, leaving their game against us as the only chance for most of their first team to play. Arsenal and Norwich had problems too. This season is not going to go smoothly.
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Friendlies are 1 thing but after 16th? August, nobody will have to self isolate whos been jabbed, so cant see anything happening after then personally.
 
MikelsGoat said:
Friendlies are 1 thing but after 16th? August, nobody will have to self isolate whos been jabbed, so cant see anything happening after then personally.
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Not up to date on the rules in England or the PL, so genuine question - does that mean a jabbed but covid positive player will just be allowed to train/play/hug everyone else at a club?
 

We’re getting to the point (in the US at least) where business is going to put their foot down hard on people who just refuse to get vaccinated. You can’t manage this risk indefinitely.
 
If Delph doesn't want the vaccine that's his choice but he should not be posting anything that may encourage others not to. He should have kept his opinion to himself. I'm double jabbed and think everyone should get it but I would never try and influence anyone either way. What's worse is Delph knows that he will get the best health care if he does get ill so he is spouting his propaganda from a position of safety. Some people who may follow his lead won't be that lucky.
 
aazak said:
Not up to date on the rules in England or the PL, so genuine question - does that mean a jabbed but covid positive player will just be allowed to train/play/hug everyone else at a club?
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No. You don’t have to isolate if you’ve been in contact with someone who’s positive if you’ve been double jabbed. You’d still have to isolate if you yourself tested positive.
 
BigDunc'sFod said:
You're misrepresenting comorbidities or exasperating factors as the only reason someone dies from COVID, though, aren't you? I've seen first-hand a colleague of mine die in the early months of COVID outbreak in New York, who was 36 years old with no comorbidities. We've seen many more reports in recent months with delta and gamma variant from medical health professionals saying younger and younger folks with severe (intubation-required) presentation. Doctors writing notes like "didn't get the vaccine because they thought they'd be fine??" or people asking for the vaccine right before they get put on a ventliator, not realising it's preventative not treatment.

Vaccination isn't just important for people who get, do not recover from, and eventually die from COVID. It is for the general populace and infrastructure in place due to the significant medical intervention needed to save a life for something that is entirely avoidable given good practice and, yes, vaccination. My mother had a stroke in January lockdown, and we waited 105 minutes for an ambulance, even though we recognized the early signs of a stroke, literally told them she was having a stroke, and called multiple times in tears before the lights went out of her eyes and they finally came. If she'd died, saying "she died of a stroke" or "well he died of cancer" or what have you may be true, but also contextually inaccurate given that the surge from a late post-Christmas lockdown had seen death rates quadruple in a month and prevented people from getting the medical care that was necessary.

The death rate is 2.2% in the UK. A "first-world" country, with a nationalised health system and a, frankly, surprisingly good vaccine rollout. In the US, over 99% of new cases are amongst the unvaccinated. Italy just reported that 99% of recent deaths are in the unvaccinated. Even if the UK death rate was half that, would you prefer to take a 1.1% chance of death over the vaccination complications? In the United States from Dec 14 2020-July 26, 2021, VAERS received 6,340 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine - note that is not vaccine-caused deaths, just deaths of people who had received the vaccine.

I'm not a praying man, but I do not wish COVID on anyone, directly or indirectly. Do what you feel is right, but ask yourself if you're evaluating the facts in front of you, or if you're going along with an anti-establishment, conspiracy-touting crowd just because it makes you feel a tad more empowered in what is, honestly, a very scary time.
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Open to being proved wrong, but pretty sure the 99% figure was completely unsourced and did not refer to new cases only, i.e. could be inclusive of cases prior to the vaccine being available, in other words all of those cases from last year are included as unvaccinated cases. One of those lies damned lies and statistics scenarios.

However, I think we should make it impossible for the unvaccinated to be among us. Here is a list of things they should not be able to do:
Work
Buy food
Exercise in a gym
Send their children to school
Use public transportation
Buy clothes

Additionally, they should be required to declare their unvaccinated status unambiguously when out and about. I suggest they should wear a bell so that people can cross to the other side of the road when they hear them.

All of the above seems fair if the vaccinated are to be able to live long lives unaffected by the fear of death.

Once we do this we can move on to other things that are dangerous as well. Anybody driving a vehicle younger than 30 or older than 40 should probably be required to have their car painted pink so that others know to avoid them. They should only be able to drive between 10 and 3, and only to designated places.

Drinking should be outlawed.

Church attendance should be mandated as that increases your life expectancy.

Other communicable diseases are definitely in scope here as well.
 

Lineker said:
Open to being proved wrong, but pretty sure the 99% figure was completely unsourced and did not refer to new cases only, i.e. could be inclusive of cases prior to the vaccine being available, in other words all of those cases from last year are included as unvaccinated cases. One of those lies damned lies and statistics scenarios.
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Well that's a relief, because you are wrong:
www.forbes.com

99% Of People Killed By Covid Last Month Were Unvaccinated, Analysis Finds

The analysis of CDC data by the Associated Press suggests that Covid-19 fatalities could be fully stamped out if all eligible people got the vaccine.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
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