Lewisham ,London whats it like to live in?

COYBL25 · February 25, 2015

ElGato said:
Well I've never been robbed, battered or burgled and I'm a regular down there like. Yes there's a few black people and whatnot but they're all quite nice, honest

No mention of race from me mate, the white parts of Bow and Bethnal Green are equally as bad. London is one big melting pot. They simply aren't very nice areas after dark. Every city has it's bad areas and as London is the biggest it stands to reason that it should have the most .

Bruce Wayne · February 25, 2015

COYBL25 said:
The key words there are " most of the time ".

Which actually means by the law of averages you'll end up getting robbed, battered or burgled !

Don't think so. Crime across the country is way down on previous levels. The only time I've ever felt unsafe in London is on my bike.

orly said:
Lid we've even got people waxing lyrical about Elephant & Castle now

In terms of location it's got pretty much everything you could want, and more amenities on the door step than 99% of the country I reckon

ElGato · February 25, 2015

COYBL25 said:
No mention of race from me mate, the white parts of Bow and Bethnal Green are equally as bad. London is one big melting pot. They simply aren't very nice areas after dark. Every city has it's bad areas and as London is the biggest it stands to reason that it should have the most .

I suppose everywhere is rough if you go looking for it... to be fair that string of boroughs (Lewi, New Cross and Peckham) are a lot better than they used to be. Was born there and me ol man was recounting tales of syringes and muggings and the like, but now its yupping up. Peckham in particular is the next ultra-trendy borough as young professionals are drawn in by cheap rental rates... plus you've got Goldsmith's uni which is drawing in a lot of pretentious arty types

paultheblue · February 25, 2015

Tree13 said:
Correct. My sister lived for a year or two. Burgled three times. Had her bike stolen. Witnessed muggings and assaults fairly regularly. She moved as soon as finances allowed.

Agree with all this - @paultheblue , does your lad specifically WANT to live by himself? If not, he should heed @The Cowboy 's advice. In fact, even if he DOES want to live by himself, he should heed @The Cowboy 's advice. Apart from anything else, living in a shared house slightly reduces the likelihood of his house being ransacked when he goes on holiday.

He has took the flat it is a house share with 2 others a girl of 27 whos ma owns the house and another fella of 24 and a couple of dogs so the house wont be empty its not ideal but its for 6 months minimum so if its dodgy it gives him time to look elsewhere.
Thanks for the help chaps

Bruce Wayne · February 25, 2015

paultheblue said:
He has took the flat it is a house share with 2 others a girl of 27 whos ma owns the house and another fella of 24 and a couple of dogs so the house wont be empty its not ideal but its for 6 months minimum so if its dodgy it gives him time to look elsewhere.
Thanks for the help chaps

Sure he'll be fine. Even if it's a bit dodgy, living in somewhere a bit less salubrious does you no harm for a bit

cduff · February 26, 2015

COYBL25 said:
Totally agree, only someone who had a death wish would live in either Peckham or New Cross !

I happened to be at New Cross Gate station changing train one Saturday (back in the 80s) just after a Millwall game. Can't remember who they were playing but the whole station was lined with police. Scarey.

Bruce Wayne · February 26, 2015

cduff said:
I happened to be at New Cross Gate station changing train one Saturday (back in the 80s) just after a Millwall game. Can't remember who they were playing but the whole station was lined with police. Scarey.

Long time ago now though. I mean compare 80s Brixton to Brixton today.

ElGato · February 26, 2015

Bruce Wayne said:
Don't think so. Crime across the country is way down on previous levels.

Nah it's not... don't buy the stats our kid. Manipulated so struggling police forces keep their budget. Crime is up, and I'm 100% sure

Bruce Wayne · February 26, 2015

ElGato said:
Nah it's not... don't buy the stats our kid. Manipulated so struggling police forces keep their budget. Crime is up, and I'm 100% sure

Are you a mob boss?

ElGato · February 26, 2015

Bruce Wayne said:
Are you a mob boss?

Mum's the word

Tree13 · February 27, 2015

Bruce Wayne said:
Don't think so. Crime across the country is way down on previous levels. The only time I've ever felt unsafe in London is on my bike.

You've surprised me there Bruce - didn't expect you to fall for the lefty Police media-spun garbage. Reported crime may be down, because people don't bother reporting it, or report it in a way that the police refuse to record; the Police definition of what is and isn't a crime is always worth considering too. Most constabularies I deal with refuse to record any report of fraud as a crime, for instance - most incorrectly tell the caller it's either a civil matter (wrong) or an issue for Trading Standards (potentially partially correct if in a retailer / consumer scenario).

Remember also that the Police consider a major part of their job to be the management of people's fear / perception of crime: one of the simplest ways for them to do this is to blandly lie and insist at every opportunity that "statistics" demonstrate that reported crime is down. If enough people start to believe something, the majority begin to accept it as the "truth".

Bruce Wayne · February 27, 2015

Tree13 said:
You've surprised me there Bruce - didn't expect you to fall for the lefty Police media-spun garbage. Reported crime may be down, because people don't bother reporting it, or report it in a way that the police refuse to record; the Police definition of what is and isn't a crime is always worth considering too. Most constabularies I deal with refuse to record any report of fraud as a crime, for instance - most incorrectly tell the caller it's either a civil matter (wrong) or an issue for Trading Standards (potentially partially correct if in a retailer / consumer scenario).

Remember also that the Police consider a major part of their job to be the management of people's fear / perception of crime: one of the simplest ways for them to do this is to blandly lie and insist at every opportunity that "statistics" demonstrate that reported crime is down. If enough people start to believe something, the majority begin to accept it as the "truth".

Pretty hard to massage things like murder statistics though, which have dropped considerably in recent times. I can't speak for other people, but I don't perceive London to be a dangerous place, and I live in a part of it that many would regard as being very much a dangerous place.

Indeed, whilst I appreciate what you say about reported crime vs unreported crime (or unrecorded crime), the stats (http://lesscrime.info/londons-violent-crime-hotspots/) suggest that the vast majority of violent crime happens in a very small proportion of the city, with nearly 80% of streets having no recorded violent crime at all.

That suggests to me that you can reduce risk of crime relatively easily if you are sensible.