Kirkby's £200M development to go ahead.

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Cracking news for Kirkby. Gobsmacking though in that this plan gets a yes, yet Destination Kirkby didn't, despite the stadium being literally the only difference in the plans.
 

The DK knock back was on the basis of it contravening the local area plan and the coach and horses the full scheme, if passed, would have run through regional planning. It basically couldn't ever be allowed, which is the free advice the club were given every single day of its three year wild goose chase trying to get a stadium constructed there.

No, the real cause for wry smiles is all the previous claims by Tesco that they couldn't set up shop without the retail park and stadium in tow. They were all supposed to be deal breakers.

I hope the small traders aren't wiped out, but at least a few people will get a bit of employment out of it.
 
The report doesn't make clear the extent, if any, Tesco have had to scale back on their original retail plan. So, it may not be just minus the stadia which won approval, but a scale back with vies with the original Merseyside vision for retail development. The stadia was always a "add on", so it could be argued that if Tesco had stuck with an appropriate scale size development (which they claimed they couldn't do), then the ground could have been built, but our costs would may have increased. And given the news about Mersey Rail about to own the track, the whole transport thing might have become a realistic proposition.

But what is done is now done.
 
BlackToffee said:
The report doesn't make clear the extent, if any, Tesco have had to scale back on their original retail plan. So, it may not be just minus the stadia which won approval, but a scale back with vies with the original Merseyside vision for retail development. The stadia was always a "add on", so it could be argued that if Tesco had stuck with an appropriate scale size development (which they claimed they couldn't do), then the ground could have been built, but our costs would may have increased. And given the news about Mersey Rail about to own the track, the whole transport thing might have become a realistic proposition.

But what is done is now done.
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The retail space is now below half what DK would have entailed, which was 63,000 sq mtrs.

DK would have gotten past the Secretary of State at that size as other Local authorities would't have appealed it and had it brought in. Of course Tesco always maintained that it was the planning gain from having a bigger project that made the stadium a viable proposition and that this smaller scheme couldn't provide the cross-subsidy for the club (basically the council would hand over the land in return for increased footfall into the town and the levying of business rates, and a cut of the stadium in terms of use of it for community/business purposes).
 
Posted this ages ago, why is it being posted again, not you dave, i mean by the Echo?

*scratches head*
 

What do you expect when Tesco run the government? Hope they are enjoying their fat corporate tax cut.

Meanwhile another area will lose all its local businesses (where all the money stayed in the local community) and everyone will be forced to try and get a menial, mundane job at the behemoth in town, where all the profits go to the Cayman Islands.

Kirkby will become an economic desert and the jobs you got stacking shelves and working on the tills will slowly be outsourced or automated by clever machines and its back to the dole queue; only this time there's no small businesses that can employ you and you'll have to walk past the grey, boarded up shops once a week to mournfully spend your giro in the Tesco's dreaming of the vibrant community that used to exist before they moved in.

Thanks Tescos, Thanks Tories, every little helps.
 
neonleon said:
What do you expect when Tesco run the government? Hope they are enjoying their fat corporate tax cut.

Meanwhile another area will lose all its local businesses (where all the money stayed in the local community) and everyone will be forced to try and get a menial, mundane job at the behemoth in town, where all the profits go to the Cayman Islands.

Kirkby will become an economic desert and the jobs you got stacking shelves and working on the tills will slowly be outsourced or automated by clever machines and its back to the dole queue; only this time there's no small businesses that can employ you and you'll have to walk past the grey, boarded up shops once a week to mournfully spend your giro in the Tesco's dreaming of the vibrant community that used to exist before they moved in.

Thanks Tescos, Thanks Tories, every little helps.
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There's a lot of truth in that for local shop-based retailers, though think there's always a place for a market like they have in Kirkby. My sympathy goes out to the people slung out of their houses to make way for the project.

Obviously there's a balancing act to be made on develeopments like this - and whether we like it or not, 800 jobs is 800 pay packets going into homes in that town and surrounding districts.
 
davek said:
There's a lot of truth in that for local shop-based retailers, though think there's always a place for a market like they have in Kirkby. My sympathy goes out to the people slung out of their houses to make way for the project.

Obviously there's a balancing act to be made on develeopments like this - and whether we like it or not, 800 jobs is 800 pay packets going into homes in that town and surrounding districts.
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All minimum wage and until such time as Tesco can phase them out for machines.

Meanwhile all the jobs employed by local businesses will go. (no doubt eclipsing the 800 jobs as Tesco's model is more efficient) And all that money that stayed within the community, that changed hands in the pubs, the corner store, the grocery store, the butchers etc will jet off to some rich shareholder somewhere who pays less tax yearly than a shoe shop even if he does rake in several million a month.

Tesco is a cancer.
 
neonleon said:
All minimum wage and until such time as Tesco can phase them out for machines.

Meanwhile all the jobs employed by local businesses will go. (no doubt eclipsing the 800 jobs as Tesco's model is more efficient) And all that money that stayed within the community, that changed hands in the pubs, the corner store, the grocery store, the butchers etc will jet off to some rich shareholder somewhere who pays less tax yearly than a shoe shop even if he does rake in several million a month.

Tesco is a cancer.
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You're preaching to the converted on some of this, but the retail is only part of the local economy. IIRC there were lots of local businesses like taxi firms and electrical and building contractors who said they saw a possible bonanza from a regeneration like this one (even this scaled down version). I'm not from Kirkby and it's been years since I was up there, so I cant say with authority if the level of existing retail is that substantial that it will have the knock on effect you outline.
 

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