Keeper necessity

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Zatara

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I just wanted to address the GK situation. For those of us lucky enough to see Southall in his prime i suppose we consider that to be the level of keeper we want. Even after he had put on alot of weight he was immense during 95 and 96 seasons when we won the FA cup and had Kanchelskis and other top players. Without him i doubt we would have picked up half the trophies we did.

The next level down would be Martyn who we could have had many years earlier but for Johnson messing up the signing. He was an immense keeper and probably saved Moyes bacon as we would probably have been relegated without him.

We had a few keepers of course that potentially seemed like they 'may' be good for us like Myhre, Ruddy and Turner + highly rated Wright and Simonsen.

This brings me all the way down to "Captain America" Tim Howard. We all know he was decent for us for most of his career but dreadful last season and definitely cost us a lot of points which in the end may have been the different between a happy squad getting results and what happened with him in goal.

When we look at the top sides with Courtois, De Gea, Cech and Lloris its quite clear that to compete at that level we need a Southall or Martyn and not any of the others weve seen in the past 30 odd years

This brings me to the links to Krul, Skekelenburg and Mandanda. None of these are close to having the same quality as pur rivals keepers. Mandanda seems to be a popular choice from some who see hes won awards in France...well, so what?? Is he on the same level as Lloris ? No, hea more of a grobelaar who would be useless in this league.

I have seen alot of posts advocating the above and other signings theyre cheap or have release clauses...so what??

To be the best you need to have the best players and we shouldnt be wasting time here with only Robles on the books...Top keepers who would consider us a step up like Leno, Rico and Butland are out there and its imperative we sign one of them.

Heck, the RS just signed Karius whose going to be top class but not at the level of the above 3. Koeman may need to assess the squad but surely he knows how important a keeper is, i mean he did sign Forster!!!

Please, lets aim for the best in this key position...i dont want the stress of having a sub-standard keeper in goal. I want to enjoy games like when we had Southall and Martyn where i could relax.
 

Krul and Stekelenberg are only being looked at as backups.
Mandanda is pretty well rated by a large group of people so I'm not going to say he's doomed to fail before he's even seen the league.
Butland isn't really reasonable because of the price Stoke would ask. Leno is solid but Leverkusen are in the Champions League and Rico is very unproven. Basically calm down and trust that the football people at the club have a clue
 
Courtois - joined racing genk at the age of 7, left Genk in 2011 then joined chelsea
Lloris - started his youth career at Nice and then joined Lyon in 2008 and then Spurs in 2012
Cech - started his youth career at Viktoria Plzen, went to Sparta Prague in 2001, then Rennes in 2002 and then eventually chelsea in 2004

When we look at the top sides with Courtois, De Gea, Cech and Lloris its quite clear that to compete at that level we need a Southall or Martyn and not any of the others weve seen in the past 30 odd years

This brings me to the links to Krul, Skekelenburg and Mandanda. None of these are close to having the same quality as pur rivals keepers.Mandanda seems to be a popular choice from some who see hes won awards in France...well, so what?? Is he on the same level as Lloris ? No, hea more of a grobelaar who would be useless in this league.

no offence but 3 out of the 4 names you mentioned as being "quality" came from virtual unknown teams and not through the youth academy's of the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs.

I agree that Krul, Steklenburg and Mandanda do not have the quality because they have been around a long time now and you can make the comparisons but I don't think you can state whether for example someone like Robles could potentially get there given more opportunities.

I personally think we should take a stab and look for a young goalkeeper from a relatively unknown side with potential and see what happens they might blossom into a Courtois or a De Gea or a Cech or a Lloris
 

Krul and Stekelenberg are only being looked at as backups.
Mandanda is pretty well rated by a large group of people so I'm not going to say he's doomed to fail before he's even seen the league.
Butland isn't really reasonable because of the price Stoke would ask. Leno is solid but Leverkusen are in the Champions League and Rico is very unproven. Basically calm down and trust that the football people at the club have a clue


Krul would cost £5mil+ and would be a daft signing as 3rd choice for that money.

Skekelenburg is poor, look at how southampton nosedived when he was in the side and Forster was injured

Maldanda is Grobelaar, goes on stupid little runs and acts arrogantly then throws or kicks it to the opposition, id wager that his diatribution is equal or worse than Howards.

Butland has stated 2 weeks ago that he wants to play at the top level. We have familiar faces from the England squad in jags, clev, baines, ross and stones and have a story of how we will build the club. If we have the riches as claimed he should be the 1st signing we make. Ive said for 12months now that after the euros he will be englands 1st choice keeper. Great for marketing as well.

Leno may be tricky but a few games in champs league vs a huge pay rise and games in the prem...

Rico im not sure how you can say hes unproven. Will be competing with De Gea this season as Spains 1st choice keeper.

We need a superstar signed also to show the squad we mean business and Stones, Lukaku etc will get back on plan.
 
I just wanted to address the GK situation. For those of us lucky enough to see Southall in his prime i suppose we consider that to be the level of keeper we want. Even after he had put on alot of weight he was immense during 95 and 96 seasons when we won the FA cup and had Kanchelskis and other top players. Without him i doubt we would have picked up half the trophies we did.

The next level down would be Martyn who we could have had many years earlier but for Johnson messing up the signing. He was an immense keeper and probably saved Moyes bacon as we would probably have been relegated without him.

We had a few keepers of course that potentially seemed like they 'may' be good for us like Myhre, Ruddy and Turner + highly rated Wright and Simonsen.

This brings me all the way down to "Captain America" Tim Howard. We all know he was decent for us for most of his career but dreadful last season and definitely cost us a lot of points which in the end may have been the different between a happy squad getting results and what happened with him in goal.

When we look at the top sides with Courtois, De Gea, Cech and Lloris its quite clear that to compete at that level we need a Southall or Martyn and not any of the others weve seen in the past 30 odd years

This brings me to the links to Krul, Skekelenburg and Mandanda. None of these are close to having the same quality as pur rivals keepers. Mandanda seems to be a popular choice from some who see hes won awards in France...well, so what?? Is he on the same level as Lloris ? No, hea more of a grobelaar who would be useless in this league.

I have seen alot of posts advocating the above and other signings theyre cheap or have release clauses...so what??

To be the best you need to have the best players and we shouldnt be wasting time here with only Robles on the books...Top keepers who would consider us a step up like Leno, Rico and Butland are out there and its imperative we sign one of them.

Heck, the RS just signed Karius whose going to be top class but not at the level of the above 3. Koeman may need to assess the squad but surely he knows how important a keeper is, i mean he did sign Forster!!!

Please, lets aim for the best in this key position...i dont want the stress of having a sub-standard keeper in goal. I want to enjoy games like when we had Southall and Martyn where i could relax.
So what you are saying is we need to sign a goalkeeper better than Howard?
 
Courtois - joined racing genk at the age of 7, left Genk in 2011 then joined chelsea
Lloris - started his youth career at Nice and then joined Lyon in 2008 and then Spurs in 2012
Cech - started his youth career at Viktoria Plzen, went to Sparta Prague in 2001, then Rennes in 2002 and then eventually chelsea in 2004



no offence but 3 out of the 4 names you mentioned as being "quality" came from virtual unknown teams and not through the youth academy's of the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs.

I agree that Krul, Steklenburg and Mandanda do not have the quality because they have been around a long time now and you can make the comparisons but I don't think you can state whether for example someone like Robles could potentially get there given more opportunities.

I personally think we should take a stab and look for a young goalkeeper from a relatively unknown side with potential and see what happens they might blossom into a Courtois or a De Gea or a Cech or a Lloris


Cech -- was touted as being a future star and we were watching him before he moved to chelsea. He was definitely on the radar of alot of top teams.

Lloris -- big money signing and french number 1 when he signed for spurs

Courtois -- Again highly rated which is why Atletico immediately loaned him and made him their 1st choice.

More recently look at Oblak at Atletico, not many on here would have heard of him but a big money move there at a young age.

Its not easy to find one whose not already been scouted, the best bet would be Jordan Pickford but again wouldnt be cheap from Sunderland.

No such thing as an unknown top keeper these days, too many scouts and money in the game.
 

Krul would cost £5mil+ and would be a daft signing as 3rd choice for that money.

Skekelenburg is poor, look at how southampton nosedived when he was in the side and Forster was injured

Maldanda is Grobelaar, goes on stupid little runs and acts arrogantly then throws or kicks it to the opposition, id wager that his diatribution is equal or worse than Howards.

Butland has stated 2 weeks ago that he wants to play at the top level. We have familiar faces from the England squad in jags, clev, baines, ross and stones and have a story of how we will build the club. If we have the riches as claimed he should be the 1st signing we make. Ive said for 12months now that after the euros he will be englands 1st choice keeper. Great for marketing as well.

Leno may be tricky but a few games in champs league vs a huge pay rise and games in the prem...

Rico im not sure how you can say hes unproven. Will be competing with De Gea this season as Spains 1st choice keeper.

We need a superstar signed also to show the squad we mean business and Stones, Lukaku etc will get back on plan.
Just because Butland wants to play at the top level will it be cheap to buy him. Look at how we are handling Stones and Lukaku.
Rico has one season of being first choice.
You're right with Leno but it's not a given that he'd go for it
Lastly who really gives a damn about Mandanda's distribution. He's there to keep it out of the net and he's proven over a long career to be fairly adept at it
 
Timo Horn, Anthony Lopes, Ederson all decent.

I don't really care for any speculation at the minute until something concrete comes out. Wouldn't mind Mandanda there's no way we can say for sure whether he'd be a flop or not since he's never played in this league (like every other GK people shout for). He's obviously good and his erratic behaviour won't be tolerated so that won't appear. Can he speak English though to communicate with the defends is one of the most important things people seem to be ignoring.
 

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