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I reckon I've done 40 books and half a life time too.
It was 60 years ago today that.....
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Up until about 2004 ish I was still firmly in the conspiracy camp.
Then that BBC documentary called JFK Beyond Conspiracy was aired narrated by the newsreader Gavin Esler came out.
It was from then on that I really started doing the proper reading and research.
Like everyone else who saw JFK and loved the film, I took certain 'historical truths' for granted....."Oswald cuddn't doo the Shewdin' "etc.
Yes he could.
Once you open your research beyond the idea of 'conspiracy' and look closely at Oswald, then you realise that he's a nobody, BUT, the whole weight of justice thing of a Presidential assassination NEEDS a conspiracy to balance the scales. How can someone so important, protected by the whole weight of security services and the state be bumped off by a nobody with an old rifle?
When you start looking into it closely, bit by bit your endless list of questions start to get answered.
Then that BBC documentary called JFK Beyond Conspiracy was aired narrated by the newsreader Gavin Esler came out.
It was from then on that I really started doing the proper reading and research.
Like everyone else who saw JFK and loved the film, I took certain 'historical truths' for granted....."Oswald cuddn't doo the Shewdin' "etc.
Yes he could.
Once you open your research beyond the idea of 'conspiracy' and look closely at Oswald, then you realise that he's a nobody, BUT, the whole weight of justice thing of a Presidential assassination NEEDS a conspiracy to balance the scales. How can someone so important, protected by the whole weight of security services and the state be bumped off by a nobody with an old rifle?
When you start looking into it closely, bit by bit your endless list of questions start to get answered.
I think when we take things at face value, it's easier to accept a set narrative, but in real terms unless you are able to tie in all events leading to any event that has such diverse possibilities and you exclude those that don't fit with your cognitive perspective, then perhaps you are dismissing something that has substance. When I say you, it's in the "royal" sense, as we all do it.
All I would say, in reality is to be open to a perspective of what is fed, and go further with your reading
The narrative and Warren Commission were based purely on showing the American public that it was taken seriously but, in particular, the Warren Commission has been shown to purely be in line with making sure Oswald was the Lone Assassin as that was what suited best.
Ballistics, evidence, witnesses since and at the time were purposely dismissed, ignored even pressured into being "incorrect"
You did ask for quantative evidence of a second shooter, just look at every ballistics expert and gun expert used at the time and then look really at how many of them stated, that in the first instance it was impossible for a superb marksman to get off the shots in the timeline provided and then take into account the poor ability of Oswald and that there is irrefutable evidence of a mass move towards the grassy knoll from a majority of bystanders who heard the shots!
And then this;
Was the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle allegedly found in the Texas School Book Depository after the assassination really purchased by the accu...
Answer (1 of 5): On his website, Harvey & Lee Home Page, researcher John Armstrong explains in great detail how the FBI, under the direction of J. Edgar Hoover, confiscated, withheld, omitted, altered, falsified and destroyed evidence in its investigation of the assassination of President Kennedy...
It's a rabbit hole, for sure, the reason I stated all my previous info was there is a rationale for the motive and ultimately the act itself.
Happy hunting
Yes, it's defo an obsession lol
Genuinely never thought something well before my time could weave its way so deeply into my psyche.
But I bloody love it.
I try never to assert that my opinion is right, at least I hope I do? but I really love to talk about it and have open and frank debate about it.
In essence there is no benefit other than peace of mind perhaps to finding the truth, other than perhaps prove how deeply corrupt our "governments " actually are but I think we all know that to a degree anyway.
JFK film for me was just "Hollywood" paying lip service, but I do have some faith in Jim Garrison and his objective.
Handball
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The one issue that bothered me from an early stage was this.
If Oswald was an avowed Left winger, then obviously the attempt to shoot Edwin Walker an ultra Right wing divisionist is accepted and self explanatory. Obvious target.
But, why shoot Kennedy, possibly/undeniably the most 'left' leaning President that America has ever had?
If Oswald was an avowed Left winger, then obviously the attempt to shoot Edwin Walker an ultra Right wing divisionist is accepted and self explanatory. Obvious target.
But, why shoot Kennedy, possibly/undeniably the most 'left' leaning President that America has ever had?
Disagree with that last paragraph. FDR was easily more left-leaning than Kennedy. Ironically, LBJ ended up a more left-leaning President than Kennedy
I think Roosevelt is more left, but certainly Kennedy was aligned to a mentality that had those influences and actually would have been so beneficial in the longer term and I'm definitely not a left leaning individual but I do believe he would have been good for America and the wider world with some of his philosophies.
I think they've painted Oswald to a narrative, when you dig into him, all is definitely not as we are led to believe.
Was he double agent, CIA, Russian, Pro/Anti Castro etc etc
For me there is little doubt he helped in portraying himself in whatever "suit" was needed. But how many people in that era would have been allowed back into the USA with his "ties" to Russia unless he was working both sides?
Also, the connections that have now been shown between Oswald, Ruby and the periphery really highlight the cloak and dagger elements in all of this, classics "don't look here" playbook distractions.
Oh to be a fly on the wall in Ruby's club and at some of the alleged meetings that took place.
As stated to @Amw79think it's key to understand what led to those events and how power in all camps corrupts, certainly the Kennedys weren't innocent in all of what led to that day.
Magic bullet my arse
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rampant rabbit more your speed?
@Amw79
Sorry, late tagging. It's been bugging me.
Wracking my brains re more than one shooter, going back through bookmarks, notes etc.
So, pages 260-272 of The Man Who Killed Kennedy, the case against LBJ give a forensic and witness based overview of shots, directions and ballistics with cross references and sources, all verifiable.
Also G Paul Chambers; Headshot: The Science Behind the Kennedy Assassination deep dives, with scientific based conclusion.
3 Shots, 100% confirmed, 4th is with 99% certainty, up to 6, some degree of scepticism but acoustics etc are difficult due to reproduction and the reliability of the Dictatape from the motorcycle, however reproduction did take place with ballistics experts and with a 95% degree of certainty showed a "rifle shot" from the Grassy Knoll.
In my mind and with further statements that have come to light and the "pressure" that was applied at the time by 3 letter agencies and then subsequent retraction, there should be no doubt that more than 1 shooter was active on that day and that while Oswald may or may not have been one of them, he did not deliver the "kill-shot"
Sorry, late tagging. It's been bugging me.
Wracking my brains re more than one shooter, going back through bookmarks, notes etc.
So, pages 260-272 of The Man Who Killed Kennedy, the case against LBJ give a forensic and witness based overview of shots, directions and ballistics with cross references and sources, all verifiable.
Also G Paul Chambers; Headshot: The Science Behind the Kennedy Assassination deep dives, with scientific based conclusion.
3 Shots, 100% confirmed, 4th is with 99% certainty, up to 6, some degree of scepticism but acoustics etc are difficult due to reproduction and the reliability of the Dictatape from the motorcycle, however reproduction did take place with ballistics experts and with a 95% degree of certainty showed a "rifle shot" from the Grassy Knoll.
In my mind and with further statements that have come to light and the "pressure" that was applied at the time by 3 letter agencies and then subsequent retraction, there should be no doubt that more than 1 shooter was active on that day and that while Oswald may or may not have been one of them, he did not deliver the "kill-shot"
Interesting, thanks DL. I’ll definitely take a look at those sources. From what I’ve seen and read, something like 80% of witnesses said there was 3 shots, then some smaller number said 1 or 2, some said 4 or more. So a clear majority heard 3, and isn’t surprising that some smaller number heard a different number given eye witness unreliability.
I can’t remember the sources, but the trajectory stuff I’ve seen always seemed pretty clear, 1st shot missed, deflected by the traffic light the motorcade went under, 2nd went through and hit JFK and Connaly, 3rd was head shot. Ive seen loads of documentaries showing the 2nd shot trajectory as a straight line from connally exit wound back up to the 6th floor window.
I’m pretty certain it was one shooter, 3 shots, and Oswald pulled the trigger. (But I’ll take a look at those sources, and see if it moves my position at all). It could well be that he was part of a plot, and others were involved, I’m pretty agnostic on that.
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