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That is why it strikes me as strange that more woman are religious than men, and yet men dominate religion. The bible and the church fathers from all three major religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all find woman repugnant with only one duty, to produce male off spring and cater to the men in their lives. They are property.

The list of passages putting down woman in the bible is almost endless. To me it is amazing that woman can believe and pass on this information about themselves and even agree with it. No wonder that woman often suffer from low self esteem and low self worth.

Society is changing, but religion does not. Let’s look at some of the biblical history of this oppression. Genesis 1:27 tells us man and woman were created at the same time, meaning that they would have been equal and both created in god’s image. This was due to one of the factions of Judaism who believed that to be true. But they were not the majority and lost the battle to another group who brought us Eve.

In the Eve story god says it is not good that Adam does not have a partner. It seems he created all other animals male and female but he produced man in the image of god so he was alone. After showing Adam all the animals in the field, Adam still couldn’t find a suitable mate. Little wonder.

So does god create a woman from clay and breathe life into her too? No. He takes on of Adam’s ribs and makes her in the image of man, instead of the image of god. She is called woman, because she is made from man. Let the oppression begin. In Genesis 3:16 it tells us: “thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

1 Corinthians 11 "Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God.”

1 Corinthians 11:7-9:"For a man is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head."

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says, If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

Ephesians 5:22-24: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

In the Middle East it is common for men to have more than one wife. Usually the wealthy have more than one as a status symbol. The more money he has the more woman he can rule. Many of the old biblical figures had more than one wife. David had many wives, for example.

In the Garden of Eden story it is Eve who eats of the forbidden fruit, and then gives it to Adam. For ever after woman are seen as evil in the bible.

Thomas Aquinas said: "As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence."

Augustine wrote: "What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman......I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children."

But the Protestant Church has nothing to brag about either. Martin Luther wrote: "If they [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that's why they are there." Nice guy.

Fundamentalism is no different: Jerry Falwell "Most of these feminists are radical, frustrated lesbians, many of them, and man-haters, and failures in their relationships with men, and who have declared war on the male gender. The Biblical condemnation of feminism has to do with its radical philosophy and goals. That's the bottom line." Go Jerry go.

So what does the OT tell us about woman? Well here’s a general indicator. When the men of Sodom gathered to demand Lot send out his visitors so they can rape them, what does Lot offer to do instead? "I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes." Really? Rape them if you think it is a good thing to do? Really? And god let him live?

But he wasn’t the only one. The same story is told in Judges 19:16 "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing." Don’t harm the man, but you can have these lowly woman.

All through Exodus woman are treated like property. In fact, the ten commandments tells us they are property. "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Wife and ox… same thing. Woman were property and nothing more. Woman were often sold or given away, even to servants. Exodus 21:2-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing....If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself."

Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." She was also never given her freedom, while men only had to serve 6 years. If a man raped a woman but her father would not give her to the rapist, the rapist had to pay compensation. Again. Woman are clearly property according to the OT.

They are also unclean. When they have a menstrual cycle they are to hide in a hut away from everyone else. Men are forbidden to go near her. She is not allowed to go into the priesthood nor even learn the Torah. That’s for men only. Numbers 3:15 tells us only males were taken in the census. "Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them." Deuteronomy 22:28-29 tells us that a virgin who has been raped is required to marry her rapist.

Woman are temptresses and evil. Genesis 19:30-36 tells us about Lots daughters who get him so drunk he doesn’t know what he is doing, so they can have children. He didn’t know what he was doing? Judges 16 tells us Delilah seduced Samson to find out what made him so strong, and eventually kills him. 1 Kings tells us Solomon’s wives are the ones who convince him to worship false idols. It wasn’t his idea. Same as Adam who wimps out and blames Eve for his eating of the fruit. Men just don’t take blame in the bible. It’s always the woman.

What did Paul have to say? : 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”

1 Timothy 2:11-14 “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.”

St. Tertullian in the second century said it all: "Do you not know that you are each an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the Devil's gateway: You are the unsealer of the forbidden tree: You are the first deserter of the divine law: You are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert even the Son of God had to die."

How can any woman with a bit of self respect be a Christian? It astounds me.
http://slartyobrian.hubpages.com/hub/The-Bible-and-The-Oppression-of-Woman

Great post, add in the links about hair, shaving and veils/headwear, pretty much covered all aspects
 

So dangerous that any criticism of Islam is met with cries of edl or bnp.
It is weird. It's an atrocious religion whatever political perspective you're approaching it from. As the great Karl Marx once said, Religion is the opium of the masses, but this one is more crystal meths than opium.
 
That your "mate" didn't deliver to some Muslims after they wouldn't let him in their house wearing a poppy.

About as believable as digging up dead to build a mosque.

Both completly made up.

Lol I don't have to justify myself to you. It happened and that's all I need to know. He's not my mate though more an esteemed acquaintance. You really need to actually get in amongst multicultural bliss mate. You clearly haven't experienced all its wonder.
 
What about BNP splinter-group racists, Britain First, whose lie about the buried bodies being exhumed for a mosque you happily talked about as if it were gospel and then didn't even apologise when it was rumbled? Hmmm.....
 
Not that it's beyond the realms of possibility, but you've just completely made that up. 'A muslim mm picked up a Hindu kid and a white kid from school'.LOL. And just what the hell that has got to do wth anything I've ever said ever I just don't know. The doctrine of islam doesn't nessessarily mean that all of its followers are bad people. Not once have I said that. And If you don't think that generally speaking not toatally, the islamic 'community' wishes to keep itself to itself and live within its own means to serve itself then you need your head checking. Me you, other religions other races, we are haram. The prophet Mohammed despises us and they take the words written thousands of years ago as the absolute Devine word of god. Not a collection of stories, but literal instructions from one man at one time. Just because you know a few 'sound muslims' ( coming from where I'm from I certainly do, probably more than you) doesn't mean this isn't true. There's a reason the hot topic is no other religion but islam because wherever it goes it certainly causes discussion.

If allowed, that is ;)
oh the irony after your accusation in the election thread
 

It is weird. It's an atrocious religion whatever political perspective you're approaching it from. As the great Karl Marx once said, Religion is the opium of the masses, but this one is more crystal meths than opium.

Not weird at all. This isn't about ideology or doctrine. The cries of BNP come because Nik was quoting as fact lies perpetrated by a BNP splinter group which seeks to demonise ordinary, hard-working Muslims. When he was rumbled, he didn't bother to apologise for spreading the unfair slur.

Whatever your misgivings about Islam as a religion, and I have plenty myself, as I do with other religions, this is not, as I've said, about ideology. This is all about demonising decent people. I teach Muslim kids every week day. They are not what the BNP and the EDL make them out to be. Neither are their parents. The vast majority of Muslims in this country are not about to sign up for any jihad, though the hatred they get from the Far Right doubtless makes a tiny minority more likely to. They are human beings with a sense of humour and huge self-respect and a sense of community spirit (because yes, the story about the Muslm mum pickng up the Hindu and Christian kids was of course true, in spite of Honest Nik's desperate wish that it wasn't) and it is wrong that they have become targets of such abuse and prejudice.

So, no. Not that weird at all.
 
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So dangerous that any criticism of Islam is met with cries of edl or bnp.

It is weird. It's an atrocious religion whatever political perspective you're approaching it from. As the great Karl Marx once said, Religion is the opium of the masses, but this one is more crystal meths than opium.

Not weird at all. This isn't about ideology or doctrine. The cries of BNP come because Nik was quoting as fact lies perpetrated by a BNP splinter group which seeks to demonise ordinary, hard-working Muslims. When he was rumbled, he didn't bother to apologise for spreading the unfair slur.

Whatever your misgivings about Islam as a religion, and I have plenty myself, as I do with other religions, this is not, as I've said, about ideology. This is all about demonising decent people. I teach Muslim kids every week day. They are not what the BNP and the EDL make them out to be. Neither are their parents. The vast majority of Muslims in this country are not about to sign up for any jihad, though the hatred they get from the Far Right doubtless makes a tiny minority more likely to. They are human beings wth a sense of humour and huge self-respect and a sense of community spirit (because yes, the story about the Muslm mum pickng up the Hindu and Christian kids was of course true, in spite of Honest Nik's desperate ash that it wasn't) and it is wrong that they have become targets of such abuse and prejudice.

So, no. Not that weird at all.

Read the links, I was referring to criticism of Islam (a particularly crap religious doctrine/ideology) - no interest in personally criticising individual muslims. From a left wing perspective however their religion is garbage.
 
Read my post. I didn't say anything about criticising individual muslims. I'm talking about BNP, EDL and Britain First's agenda of demonising muslims as a group of people. An important difference.

Your post refers to demonizing decent people (not the religion) then goes on to mention the kids you teach, their parents, and the woman that picked someone else's kids up ?

I don't know these people, they're most likely sound, but Islam is still crap.
 

Your post refers to demonizing decent people (not the religion) then goes on to mention the kids you teach, their parents, and the woman that picked someone else's kids up ?

Yes, but i wasn't talking about individuals being unfairly criticised, i was on about the demonisation of a people (often with lies spread by the far Right on Facebook and football forums).
 
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