Idrissa Gueye

[AsiaAsia82]

I’d say so.

Disagreeing with what they see as a symbol of oppression or war in their country vs a symbol of consenting adults living their life without being discriminated against.

Different I reckon.

So it depends on how the wearer sees the symbol, not what the symbol is meant to be , that actually matters?

 

[Azzurri]

So it depends on how the wearer sees the symbol, not what the symbol is meant to be , that actually matters?

I suppose so, yes.

Players who refuse to wear the poppy (I can only think of two) get stick every year for it. And, as long as it’s not flat out abuse, that’s the world we live in.

I’d say on the face of it, a symbol associated with war, political establishments and death is different to an anti-discrimination one. But, of course, Gueye and people of certain religions don’t see it that way.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

So it depends on how the wearer sees the symbol, not what the symbol is meant to be , that actually matters?

It’s always open to interpretation but I think those two examples in particular are pretty unambiguous.

The highest profile cases of those refusing to wear poppies tend to be to do with them, their family and/or their area having suffered at the hands of the British Army.

Those refusing to wear any symbol of support for LGBTQ+ rights don’t do so because they’ve suffered harm as a result of people being treated equally to them, they do it because of some archaic view that homosexuality or any kind of gender non-conformity is “wrong” and they’re generally uncomfortable with its existence.

Everyone is, of course, free to wear or not wear those symbols as they see fit, but in a time when we should be pushing as hard as we can for equality, those who refuse on the grounds of opposition to LGBTQ+ rights should expect to be challenged.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

I get what you say, but whatever the symbol or the cause, I’m not sure trying to enforce it is the correct thing to do.

 

[Uuuuuurgh plop plop]

Should've baked the damn cake

 

[brieverton]

Just my tuppence worth, people should support these initiatives if they wish but should be allowed to abstain also. Support should be enthusiastic but freely given.

I applaud efforts made to increase awareness and reduce discrimination and ignorance but those efforts are diminished by any degree of undue pressure to participate.

Gueye didn't wish to become involved in this. It inevitably draws negative attention but to my mind, he didn't do something inherently wrong or disagreeable in doing so.

 

[Uuuuuurgh plop plop]

Just my tuppence worth, people should support these initiatives if they wish but should be allowed to abstain also. Support should be enthusiastic but freely given.

I applaud efforts made to increase awareness and reduce discrimination and ignorance but those efforts are diminished by any degree of undue pressure to participate.

Gueye didn't wish to become involved in this. It inevitably draws negative attention but to my mind, he didn't do something inherently wrong or disagreeable in doing so.

Refusing to endorse LGBT, BLM and whatever other progressive causes are currently trending is the new blasphemy.

 

[Bluerover]

I get what you say, but whatever the symbol or the cause, I’m not sure trying to enforce it is the correct thing to do.

Punishing someone for not wearing a symbol for something with which they disagree, only reinforces their determination to resist.

TBH, Ireland, of all countries, has been to the fore in equality for LGBT fellow citizens, I think we were the first country to vote by Referendum to change our written Constitution so that same sex marriages are recognised by the State.

I have former colleagues (I am now retired) and close friends of decades who are LGBT. They don't see the need to force anyone to wear the LGBT symbols - I think they feel equal in modern Ireland, and for this I am thankful.

Adrissa's stance is a tough one to call - I also accept the accusations that he was happy to wear EFC sponsorship for alcohol and gambling.

I have no simple answer tbh.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

I get what you say, but whatever the symbol or the cause, I’m not sure trying to enforce it is the correct thing to do.

I don’t believe it should be enforced, I just don’t think his views should be free from criticism, that’s all.

 

[Lineker]

I don’t believe it should be enforced, I just don’t think his views should be free from criticism, that’s all.

What are his views? Seriously asking as this forum is the only place I am following this at all, and on here only inferences of his views are made as far as I can tell, i.e. putting words in his mouth, or setting up a straw man to tear down.

If he is anything at all like me, it is the coercion that is objected to more than anything else. He won't care what people are doing in their bedroom. He won't expect people to celebrate his sexuality either.

 

[Azzurri]

What are his views? Seriously asking as this forum is the only place I am following this at all, and on here only inferences of his views are made as far as I can tell, i.e. putting words in his mouth, or setting up a straw man to tear down.

If he is anything at all like me, it is the coercion that is objected to more than anything else. He won't care what people are doing in their bedroom. He won't expect people to celebrate his sexuality either.

If he is a genuine believer, then he will.

There’d be no need to ‘celebrate’ any sexuality if there was no discrimination.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

Refusing to endorse LGBT, BLM and whatever other progressive causes are currently trending is the new blasphemy.

There are many, many people who care more about being seen as a supporter of an issue than they care about the actual issue. I happen to support all those progressive causes, but I’m not going to spend all my time on social media grandstanding and trying to end the careers of anyone who doesn’t support them as much as I think they should.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

 

[davids]

Fake,it's only 12.

 

[twoblue]

The worse london back drop ever