How much worse is it worth getting to get better?

[Philw]

Ok, so I've been thinking about starting this thread for a while. After yesterday's performance I figure now is as good a time as any for it...

A growing number of people want rid of Moyes now/after this season. A lot want rid of Kenwright and/or the current board. However people are understandably fearful that Moyes' replacement won't do as well (in terms of squad building) as he has with the financial restrictions placed upon him, and that Bill is pricing any potential buyers out of bidding for the club, by valuing a club that has no assets and a crumbling stadium too highly to make it worth investing.

So my question is this: If Moyes were to go, the incoming manager got us relegated, forcing the perceived value of the club to drop such that Bill was forced to sell to someone who could come in and put some investment into the club, so that we could come back in a stronger position than we are now (infrastructure-wise), would you take that?

(Take as given that the new owners don't do a Venky's etc, we appoint a second new manager who does a decent job, we are promoted within 2/3 years).

Is it worth it to get that much worse to force the changes that many of us believe are necessary to move the club forward in the current climate? Or would the price be too high?

 

[Azzurri]

Don't be so stupid.

 

[Brennan]

What owner worth their salt would buy a club with zero assets, £50m worth of debt, and no profits, that was in the Championship ?

 

[Azzurri]

What owner worth their salt would buy a club with zero assets, £50m worth of debt, and no profits, that was in the Championship ?

I think I've got this covered Brenzzz.

 

[noharmdone]

Stones, Ross, Duffy, Kennedy..
Seamus.. Etc..

The future is fine.. If managed correctly.

 

[Philw]

Don't be so stupid.

What owner worth their salt would buy a club with zero assets, £50m worth of debt, and no profits, that was in the Championship ?

Well no one's buying us at the moment... do clubs below the premiership never get bought? Oh wait, they do. If you don't have anything useful to add, stfu.

 

[noharmdone]

Well no one's buying us at the moment... do clubs below the premiership never get bought? Oh wait, they do. If you don't have anything useful to add, stfu.

I once read that Newcastle took a similar gamble mate.. Wiped loads of debt off, but needed to come back up with parachute payment at the first time of asking ?
HUGE risk.

 

[Brennan]

Well no one's buying us at the moment... do clubs below the premiership never get bought? Oh wait, they do. If you don't have anything useful to add, stfu.

I just asked you a question.

 

[Philw]

I once read that Newcastle took a similar gamble mate.. Wiped loads of debt off, but needed to come back up with parachute payment at the first time of asking ?
HUGE risk.

Oh undeniably. It could all go horribly wrong, and we could end up mired in the Championship (or worse!) for years. But are people really prepared to put up with another ten years of flattering to deceive and grabbing the odd Europa campaign, or if Moyes goes and we drop off, spending 10 years in mid table obscurity? Or are people willing to take that risk in the hope that the club will come back stronger? Or are they, like Moyes, happy to muddle along, with no sign of ambition or upward mobility?

 

[Philw]

I just asked you a question.

Really? Cos that's not how I read it? Or did you really mean 'I don't think that any owner worth their salt would buy a club with zero assets, £50m worth of debt, and no profits, that was in the Championship'?? Either way, not a particularly helpful response, or one that answers the question posed in the OP.

 

[noharmdone]

Oh undeniably. It could all go horribly wrong, and we could end up mired in the Championship (or worse!) for years. But are people really prepared to put up with another ten years of flattering to deceive and grabbing the odd Europa campaign, or if Moyes goes and we drop off, spending 10 years in mid table obscurity? Or are people willing to take that risk in the hope that the club will come back stronger? Or are they, like Moyes, happy to muddle along, with no sign of ambition or upward mobility?

This squad is good to go for a new manager ( ie. not get relegated ) for a few years, even if Fellaini and Baines go.
We should re-build at least one stand at Goodison during the next two years also.
Doing nothing isn't an option, but I won't hold my breath.
Confidence has gone on the pitch, as appears has some fitness. The latter hasn't happened under Moyes before ?

 

[electricblue]

Oh undeniably. It could all go horribly wrong, and we could end up mired in the Championship (or worse!) for years. But are people really prepared to put up with another ten years of flattering to deceive and grabbing the odd Europa campaign, or if Moyes goes and we drop off, spending 10 years in mid table obscurity? Or are people willing to take that risk in the hope that the club will come back stronger? Or are they, like Moyes, happy to muddle along, with no sign of ambition or upward mobility?

I'm prepared to take the risk of seeing what another manager could do but not take the risk of dropping into the Championship just to get rid of the board.

If we lost our PL status it could spell the end for generations.

 

[Azzurri]

If we got relegated we'd lose Jagielka, Fellaini, Baines, Mirallas, Gibson, Coleman, Heitinga, Pienaar, Howard etc. for half of what they're worth and would be an even less attractive proposition for buyers due to the fact we'd be in the Championship and even more debt with a smaller turnover/profit per year. In short this is ridiculous.

 

[BoysInBlue]

What owner worth their salt would buy a club with zero assets, £50m worth of debt, and no profits, that was in the Championship ?

One who was getting a good deal, after the previous greedy shower had lowered their asking price to a reasonable level, that accurately reflects that the club has, as you put it, 'zero assets, £50m worth of debt, and no profits'.

 

[Brennan]

Really? Cos that's not how I read it? Or did you really mean 'I don't think that any owner worth their salt would buy a club with zero assets, £50m worth of debt, and no profits, that was in the Championship'?? Either way, not a particularly helpful response, or one that answers the question posed in the OP.

You said

'How much worse is it worth getting to get better'

And then started talking getting relegated and finding a buyer, so i simply asked you what buyer worth their salt you think would buy a team who makes no money, has £50m of debt, and no real assets off the pitch.

I think the fact that you're moaning about my post instead of actually answering the question says a lot, really.