How much of a factor is European football?

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I listened to the radio commentary of the QPR game for the first half and it was mentioned (by Pip Neville I think maybe) about the phycological factor and routeen of playing on a Thursday night then on a Sunday or Monday, it's the same rest period of say a Wednesday to Saturday but it has a slightly different knock on effect for some players. Tbf it was explained better than I have just done so made sense at the time.
 

....it's a strange one. I know there wasn't group games but we won a European Competition and the League in '85 not to mention reaching an FA Cup Final. I don't think rotation was mentioned in those days. I'm not certain it has an impact to be honest, especially when you are winning football matches.

With pudding pitches in the winter, miles less in the sports science/injury treatment field, and with arguably less fit players. (In terms of diet and all the modern gubbins).

I put it down to proper black football boots me. Not these multi coloured slippers they wear these days.
 
Wasn't as good as last season to be honest, this is one of the reasons for the gloom right now, we want that again. We waited so long for a real good season and its rather depressing we have stepped back this year, something we are jist going to have to ride out.

I get all that, but we finished 7th(ish) without Euro footy.

The point is, does Europe affect our league positions.
 
....it's a strange one. I know there wasn't group games but we won a European Competition and the League in '85 not to mention reaching an FA Cup Final. I don't think rotation was mentioned in those days. I'm not certain it has an impact to be honest, especially when you are winning football matches.

Yes, I don't know. Going back to those days and it wasn't uncommon for players to smoke and drink a fair bit, whilst their diet probably wasn't anywhere near its current state.

I wonder therefore if fitness was that big a factor back then. Was it enough to set you apart from the rest (or not)?

I don't know. Does anyone have our league position under Moyes when we had European football to contend with?
 

We will not really know, though I suspect it does have an impact, and the injuries we have had are probably in part down to the extra travelling/games we have had to play.

I do think the bigger factor is that teams have worked us out a bit more. And that Martinez is having a transition season I expected him to have last year. We have also rarely had a full squad to pick from.
 
Yes, I don't know. Going back to those days and it wasn't uncommon for players to smoke and drink a fair bit, whilst their diet probably wasn't anywhere near its current state.

I wonder therefore if fitness was that big a factor back then. Was it enough to set you apart from the rest (or not)?

I don't know. Does anyone have our league position under Moyes when we had European football to contend with?

....I think smoking etc was part of 60s but by mid-80s there wouldn't be much of that and I'm sure the players were conscious of diet and fitness at that point.
 
Extra games means extra knocks, bumps, bruises and bookings. Having a great starting eleven is fabulous but when the aforementioned impacts said starting eleven that is where the side looks fraught.
It's impossible to have a set of utility players ready to step in at any time or all at once because any player good enough to play the entire back line or similarly a player that can fit in anywhere across the midfield will be a specialist in at least one position and so arguements about 'square pegs in round holes' kick up (on top of which with player power - such talents can push for regular first team football at a host of teams).

I wasn't overly concerned about dumping out of the Carling Cup. Especially as we were playing Lukaku through injury and 3 or 4 of the prime starting eleven were out injured, on top of which with the EL to be handled (much more important in terms of coefficient btw) we had to 'cut our cloth accordingly'. So the saying goes.

Take McCarthy atm, has his injury been exacerbated because of a lot of club games being rolled into international commitments? Everton fans that dont give a toss about the rep of Ireland games, but they might say he was pushed too hard for club and so was bound to get crocked eventually.

Balancing a squad of internationals is no mean feat, not every manager is Ferguson and can ring Giggs through as injured days before every international game/friendly.

Martinez has promoted a lot of the youth players so far this season, rarely have we seen so many make debuts in such a short space of time. Getting them involved as easrly as possible keeps them hungry to step up again but also provides a taste of the experience that they can build on, the blood and guts of a senior game is miles different to the reserves and under 21's.

All in all, we'll need to boost the squad because players approaching retirement will need understudy's available for transition - that leads to a new set becoming the oldest heads in the squad and the responsibilities that comes with. Money is a factor, as is the ground (which is another branch of saying 'money' really) but so long as the academy can cast its net as far as possible and try to promote players like it has then the pressure on the club as a financial concern will be alleviated.

In summary, staying injury free is praying on a miracle, expanding the squad is reasonable but the quality might not be to everyones liking/expectation. A bit of luck, some good judgement and the occasional rising star through the youth setup is about the best we can realistically hope for. We might have to get used to the old days of not picking up super players on the extreme cheap that improve us drastically or end up sold for huge profit.
 
I listened to the radio commentary of the QPR game for the first half and it was mentioned (by Pip Neville I think maybe) about the phycological factor and routeen of playing on a Thursday night then on a Sunday or Monday, it's the same rest period of say a Wednesday to Saturday but it has a slightly different knock on effect for some players. Tbf it was explained better than I have just done so made sense at the time.

I heard this as well. He said something about not having time with your family on a Friday and Saturday night saying it really messes up a players usual routine. Like you say it did make sense when Pip said it..

But IMO it isn't an excuse. We have had some bad luck with injuries and have been guilty of putting games to bed. We will be alright though. Still think we can challenge top four.
 

There have been some large disruption in the squad with some key players out which I believe could of destabilise even the best clubs and have ultimately affected the form of the team. Ill just name a few with the time missing.
Barkley 2months
Coleman 6wks 2 times out.
Stones 2 months plus.
Mirallas 2months
Baines 3 weeks.
Barry 3 weeks
Mcarthy 3weeks plus.
Naismith 3 weeks
Pienaar not been fully fit all season.
That coupled with kone and Oviedo only just coming back we have had enforced changes. I agree we need to look at strengthening centre half area and maybe another out and out winger, but someone mentioned on tv the other day Chelsea have managed to play the same 7 players in all prem games this season. Keeper back 4 and matic and fabregas. They lose matic against Newcastle through suspension and lose.
We played with a solid continuous back line and had an ever present mcarthy and Barry last season. He hasn't had that luxury this year and its knocked us a bit. I think the squad is stronger but when stones gets back that will provide an extra dimension to our play from the back because I think distinct as struggled a bit but has been unfairly slagged off after playing 5 games in 14 days. That I think was too much and maybe browning could have come in for the experience. Keep calm and see where we are in March. No one wins anything in December.
 
......very interesting stat that somebody posted, Spurs have had 5 home games after the 6 Euro games they have played whereas we've had 2. I appreciate we lost to Palace but it hasn't helped the cause.

I'm still not convinced it's a major factor but I appreciate the facts don't support that view.
 
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