How long should a manager get?

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In general 3 seasons minimum as long as there's some promise and it's not an unmitigated disaster. In our case it's hard to judge as we are hamstrung financially (don't count sky money as alll the teams will be rolling in it next season). I would like to the think our REALISTIC aspirations for the manager, without new ownership/investment are:

1)Win a domestic cup, any cup, PLEASE!!!!
2) Challenge for Europa League positions every season.
3) Develop promising youth team products
4) Play a brand of football that is aesthetically pleasing, but have the ability to be pragmatic when needed.

So far Martinez has missed 1), but then Moyes never achieved that either in a much longer period. 2) Season 1 achieved, season 2 failed, this season too early to call. 3) I think even if its by necessity he's achieved this. 4) Season 1 achieved, Season 2 failed, this season too early, bit hit and miss.

I'd be inclined to give him till next Xmas provided he sorts the GK issue, and get's a good level striker to challenge Rom.

Presuming the board backs him, and he learns from his mistakes.

However, should we start flirting with relegation again in the next 12 months, get rid.
 

When you ask about how long a manager should be left in charge at a club there are many factors at play.

It is a different decision at Chelsea or City than it is at a club like Everton.

If a manager has the funds to buy more or less any player he wants then he will have less time to get the team winning silverware. Of course at the same time you have got to consider how he is building the whole club and in particular the academy...this is true of even the richest clubs.

At a club like Everton as we are currently funded you ask if the club is still progressing as a whole under the manager.
I think the answer at Everton is yes. Our academy seems to be flourishing, we are introducing lots of young players into the team and developing players worth huge sums of money.
Our start to the season has been steady. We have nine games left to play to get to the half way point and there isn't a team in there that we could not expect to beat. We have had an exceptional hard start to the season and it will probably be half way before we can properly judge our progress..orr lack of it.
 

I think it really does depend on the manager doesn't it. I have only called for a managers head once (Smith right at the end) in the last 15 years or so.

My gut feeling is he should get 3 years. That give shim time to steadily move out some of the older managers players and bring in his own. I think if you are struggling with relegation being the only caveat by which I would revise that.
 
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When you ask about how long a manager should be left in charge at a club there are many factors at play.

It is a different decision at Chelsea or City than it is at a club like Everton.

If a manager has the funds to buy more or less any player he wants then he will have less time to get the team winning silverware. Of course at the same time you have got to consider how he is building the whole club and in particular the academy...this is true of even the richest clubs.

At a club like Everton as we are currently funded you ask if the club is still progressing as a whole under the manager.
I think the answer at Everton is yes. Our academy seems to be flourishing, we are introducing lots of young players into the team and developing players worth huge sums of money.
Our start to the season has been steady. We have nine games left to play to get to the half way point and there isn't a team in there that we could not expect to beat. We have had an exceptional hard start to the season and it will probably be half way before we can properly judge our progress..orr lack of it.
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Great post that man! It really does depend club to club. At a top club they can buy in the 3-4 players they need to be successful in 1 window never mind one year. It's hard to justify giving them the same length of time as a manager like Martinez who has to do things gradually in order to develop the team he wants.

Your point about the academy is spot on as well. Not only does our model of giving young players a chance require a manager who looks towards youth, but also some stability with a manager and not someone who is only looking at the next 6 months. There is never any need to play a young player if that's the case.

Our academy if flourishing. Martinez should and does take a lot of credit for this. However a lot of these players we now have coming through were scouted by, brought in by and coached by the previous managers staff. having the same manager, with the same scouts built up year on year creates an infrastructure and network that can become quite formidable That can take a decade to create but can be undermined very quickly.

Often at clubs where managers come and go quickly the manager takes the whole infrastructure of scouts with him and there is a void that has to be filled. Often to fill that void means scouting 6/7 year olds who may eventually play for the team in 10-12 years. You can see why clubs do0n't fancy it.

I have said a club like Everton, as long as we are not in imminent danger of relegation should give a manager 3 years. I think you judge a manager on how things are coming along. At present it looks as though we may finish between 11th-5th. I wouldn't sack him for that.
 
David Moyes over stayed his welcome.

Minimum of 3 years, with improvement in each season.

But a lot of it depends on the backing they receive from the board.
 
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