Hillsborough

[composter]

It could so easily have been us.

I doubt if I was the only fan stuck behind a fence at various grounds in the 80's, Idly speculating to myself ' how do these fences work in the event of fire etc" does a special switch drop them down etc. It's quite chilling to discover, through Hillsborough, that chances are none of the coppers /stewards on duty would've had a bloody key, and those that did were in no mood to ever use them.

I recall Ken Bates wanted Chelsea's to be capable of being electrified (against their own fans) in the event of trouble, dark days indeed.

 

[maccavennie]

Not only for the people of Liverpool and all the families involved and the 96 people who lost their lives, but I think it's of paramount importance to the nation to know what's gone on, a police force unapologetic for years, a government unwilling to do anything to change the outside perception of what actually happened, news articles published creating a smear campaign against the city in general. I think thesepoints should keep everyone interested on the outcome and how it came to pass that it has taken so long and only now the truth is coming out. Good point made about Mrs R @roydo and people's perceptions changing about the fight the families have gone through all these years mate.

 

[roydo]

I doubt if I was the only fan stuck behind a fence at various grounds in the 80's, Idly speculating to myself ' how do these fences work in the event of fire etc" does a special switch drop them down etc. It's quite chilling to discover, through Hillsborough, that chances are none of the coppers /stewards on duty even had a bloody key, and those that did were in no mood to ever use them.

I recall Ken Bates wanted Chelsea's to be capable of being electrified in the event of trouble, dark days indeed.

You most certainly were not. Remember going to watch Bristol City in an away leg of the League Cup SF at Forest. (When Forest were ace). The crush in the away end getting out was dreadful. Managed to push the girlfriend behind a steel girder till it passed.

And that was almost certainly a bi weekly occurrence at that ground. And dozens of others. The remarkable thing about Hillsborough was that it hadnt happened before. And before anyone brings up Ibrox, I am referring to the way supporters in those days were treated, and how we just blithely accepted it.

 

[maccavennie]

You most certainly were not. Remember going to watch Bristol City in an away leg of the League Cup SF at Forest. (When Forest were ace). The crush in the away end getting out was dreadful. Managed to push the girlfriend behind a steel girder till it passed.

And that was almost certainly a bi weekly occurrence at that ground. And dozens of others. The remarkable thing about Hillsborough was that it hadnt happened before. And before anyone brings up Ibrox, I am referring to the way supporters in those days were treated, and how we just blithely accepted it.

I know something similar supposedly happened at Hillsborough during another semi final a few years before the 88-89 semi.. I think it was a Spurs semi final held there and I've read an article saying that was supposed to be dangerous and overcrowded.

 

[roydo]

I know something similar supposedly happened at Hillsborough during another semi final a few years before the 88-89 semi.. I think it was a Spurs semi final held there and I've read an article saying that was supposed to be dangerous and overcrowded.

Thats it though. In those days, looking back, it was astonishing that there were not any warnings or complaints about how things were. But footie was on its arse back then really. No one gave a hoot, no one cared. Or knew.

I remember the cup final against them a few years before at Wembley. Fans (of both sides) climbing up the outside of the ground to get in, tons more than 100,000 in the ground. Nuts when you think back.

 

[maccavennie]

Thats it though. In those days, looking back, it was astonishing that there were not any warnings or complaints about how things were. But footie was on its arse back then really. No one gave a hoot, no one cared. Or knew.

I remember the cup final against them a few years before at Wembley. Fans (of both sides) climbing up the outside of the ground to get in, tons more than 100,000 in the ground. Nuts when you think back.

Aye mate I remember seeing fans climbing in through windows. My missus said the year after Hillsborough ( she went and was 14 or thereabouts at the time ) said she went to the semi final at villa park against Palace and she said it could have happened again and scared the crap out of her.

 

[The Esk]

Lads, sorry to butt in, but this is predominantly a memorial thread, and we should also be mindful of the ongoing inquests and the AG's warnings.

Thanks

 

[Pat's Van]

I know something similar supposedly happened at Hillsborough during another semi final a few years before the 88-89 semi.. I think it was a Spurs semi final held there and I've read an article saying that was supposed to be dangerous and overcrowded.

think it was spurs / wolves '81

 

[roydo]

Lads, sorry to butt in, but this is predominantly a memorial thread, and we should also be mindful of the ongoing inquests and the AG's warnings.

Thanks

Sorry mate. My mistake.

 

[maccavennie]

think it was spurs / wolves '81

That's the one Pat, couldn't remember who it was against and what year.

 

[The Esk]

Sorry mate. My mistake.

No mistake mate, no need to apologise

 

[Azzurri]

Speaking as one who lives miles from Liverpool, it wasnt the coverage, it was the perception that it was "whinging scousers", "if it had been any other city it would be long forgotten" type of response. 99.9% because outsiders had no idea about the truth.

Remember, for 20 odd years, the mainstream media carried the establishment line, so they, outsiders, really had no idea.

But I can tell you, that since the truth has come out, and I dont just mean the inquests going on now, but ever since Cameron apologised, scales have dropped from peoples eyes, and the response has been, "christ, knew none of that. Fair play to the families and the city for keeping it going"

That is exactly the response from Mrs R, and all her family, who have zero link to Liverpool, nor football really. Other than me, which doesnt really count.

That's a compliment in my book.

 

[GoatJR]

Will there be a 2 min silence today And Goodison.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Nice to hear they got good support.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...hillsborough-anfield-runners-complete-9073923
Steve Kelly, 62, who ran in memory of his brother Michael, said: "I feel great.

"We're all sore but we kept each other going like we have right the way through and it gave us a lift, well me anyway, that we arrived just as the Everton match ended. We got loads of cheers from the blueboys and we got great support along the way which we're all really grateful for.