The-Golden-Vision
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Hero for me. I was listening to Darren Gough and Adrian Durham arguing about this on Talk****e on the way back from work. Durham was arguing that it was too violent and Gough was saying it was justified. I agree with Goughy on this, which is something I say with a shudder.
Meh, he just wanted the train to move, personally I would have just picked him up and thrown him thru a window.
I hate to be left waiting.
I hate to be left waiting.
The-Golden-Vision
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The fare dodger who was thrown off a ScotRail train on Friday by a fellow passenger has defended his behaviour and claims he was the victim. This follows a video of the incident becoming a hit on YouTube with over 200,000 views. The footage shows student Sam Main being thrown from an Edinburgh to Perth train by ‘the big man’, who has since been identified as Alan Pollock, after having an argument with the conductor about not having paid for a ticket.
The conductor tells Sam that he has to get off the train because he doesn’t have the right ticket, and the driver is told to stop the train until he leaves. When the student refused, a bit of shouting is exchanged between the two, and Sam does some swearing at the conductor.
Having had enough of the ruckus, firefighter Alan gets up from his seat behind the teen and asks the conductor if he wants him to throw the fare dodger off. When the conductor nods and says yes, the firefighter grabs Sam from the scruff of his neck and proceeds to drag him off the train. Sam tries twice to reenter the train, but he is pushed back out. Another passenger is seen throwing his back out after him before the doors are shut and Alan returns to his seat to an applause from the other travellers.
A local newspaper tracked down Sam to get his side of the story. He says that he had been out celebrating after an exam and was half asleep on the train. He had the right ticket but must have given the wrong one to the conductor. The next thing he knows, the big man is manhandling him to the door and throwing him off; he still has cuts and bruises on his cheeks and legs from the incident. He couldn’t believe it when the video clip emerged on YouTube.
Sam’s father, Lenny, said that his son was sitting exams that day. This big guy practically threw Sam head first onto the platform, as he landed on his face and has a big scrape. He was trying to get back on the train to get his bag, as he’s a diabetic and all his stuff was in it – medication, university notes, money, mobile phone and iPod. This man should be charged and have his day in court, as he had no right to do what he did.
Sam’s uncle has also given his story but wishes to remain unnamed. He says Sam had a ticket, but it was the wrong one. He went to the station at Polmont at 8am to buy a return ticket, but was told two singles were cheaper since he planned to return off peak. He noticed that both tickets were for Polmont to Edinburgh Park once he jumped on the train, but decided to concentrate on his exams and deal with it later. After the exam, he had a few drinks while he was out and swore at the conductor, but he’s no fare dodger and was just sold the wrong ticket. The big guy didn’t have any right to get involved and now Sam has a cut up face. He told the police that they can check CCTV footage to see that he purchased a ticket.
The conductor tells Sam that he has to get off the train because he doesn’t have the right ticket, and the driver is told to stop the train until he leaves. When the student refused, a bit of shouting is exchanged between the two, and Sam does some swearing at the conductor.
Having had enough of the ruckus, firefighter Alan gets up from his seat behind the teen and asks the conductor if he wants him to throw the fare dodger off. When the conductor nods and says yes, the firefighter grabs Sam from the scruff of his neck and proceeds to drag him off the train. Sam tries twice to reenter the train, but he is pushed back out. Another passenger is seen throwing his back out after him before the doors are shut and Alan returns to his seat to an applause from the other travellers.
A local newspaper tracked down Sam to get his side of the story. He says that he had been out celebrating after an exam and was half asleep on the train. He had the right ticket but must have given the wrong one to the conductor. The next thing he knows, the big man is manhandling him to the door and throwing him off; he still has cuts and bruises on his cheeks and legs from the incident. He couldn’t believe it when the video clip emerged on YouTube.
Sam’s father, Lenny, said that his son was sitting exams that day. This big guy practically threw Sam head first onto the platform, as he landed on his face and has a big scrape. He was trying to get back on the train to get his bag, as he’s a diabetic and all his stuff was in it – medication, university notes, money, mobile phone and iPod. This man should be charged and have his day in court, as he had no right to do what he did.
Sam’s uncle has also given his story but wishes to remain unnamed. He says Sam had a ticket, but it was the wrong one. He went to the station at Polmont at 8am to buy a return ticket, but was told two singles were cheaper since he planned to return off peak. He noticed that both tickets were for Polmont to Edinburgh Park once he jumped on the train, but decided to concentrate on his exams and deal with it later. After the exam, he had a few drinks while he was out and swore at the conductor, but he’s no fare dodger and was just sold the wrong ticket. The big guy didn’t have any right to get involved and now Sam has a cut up face. He told the police that they can check CCTV footage to see that he purchased a ticket.
Hero all day long...... i just got a new marvel comics mug in my works secret santa... this "Bigman" should have been on it. Take my hat off to him.
Neither. He thought he was doing the right thing, but he wasn't. He simply wanted the train to move.
The idiot is the conductor. That lad clearly had a ticket and he ran into a jobsworth of a conductor who refused to see common sense. That would have got under my nose as well, so I don't blame the lad for getting annoyed. I've had a similar problem where a train station sold me a Saveaway before it was valid for use. Luckily, I had an inspector with a modicum of common sense so it wasn't an issue, but I can easily imagine these little Hitler conductors loving the sense of power when they get the chance.
Let's put it this way - if it was the big fella without the ticket and not a kid, the conductor wouldn't have acted the same way.
I hope the Police review the CCTV cameras to justify this kids stance, and whilst I hope the guy who threw him off doesn't get hauled in front of a court, I would understand why as it was assault. Even if he DIDN'T have a ticket it's still assault. He shouldn't have put his hands on the kid.
I really feel sorry for the lad to be honest.
The idiot is the conductor. That lad clearly had a ticket and he ran into a jobsworth of a conductor who refused to see common sense. That would have got under my nose as well, so I don't blame the lad for getting annoyed. I've had a similar problem where a train station sold me a Saveaway before it was valid for use. Luckily, I had an inspector with a modicum of common sense so it wasn't an issue, but I can easily imagine these little Hitler conductors loving the sense of power when they get the chance.
Let's put it this way - if it was the big fella without the ticket and not a kid, the conductor wouldn't have acted the same way.
I hope the Police review the CCTV cameras to justify this kids stance, and whilst I hope the guy who threw him off doesn't get hauled in front of a court, I would understand why as it was assault. Even if he DIDN'T have a ticket it's still assault. He shouldn't have put his hands on the kid.
I really feel sorry for the lad to be honest.
He didnt have a ticket, claiming the conductor was a "jobsworth" is wrong.
The lad was in the wrong, he should have got off the train.
The lad was in the wrong, he should have got off the train.
Have you listened to his explanation? It makes perfect sense to me, as I've seen it before. He bought a return manually but he was issued with two singles (which has actually happened to me but I noticed both tickets said OUT on it so I went back to the counter. They pre-print tickets at busy stations so it happens).
On the vid you see him saying "I've shown you my ticket", which to me corroborates his story. It seems to me he explained himself but the guy simply wasn't listening.
it was bill's fault , he refused to give moyes the money to buy the lad a ticket... he was gonna get one on loan in january apparently.
Also, when he tries to get back on, he's after his bag. You clearly hear a girl saying "His bags there", so again that backs up that part of his story.
It's at the point where he tries to get on the train that the big fella crosses the line as he literally flings him off. It's assault I'm afraid, but not a maliciously intended one so I hope he gets off with it.
It's at the point where he tries to get on the train that the big fella crosses the line as he literally flings him off. It's assault I'm afraid, but not a maliciously intended one so I hope he gets off with it.
Ive heard "his story", but, the conductor can only go with whats infront of him, which was a lack of a ticket.
Ive heard his reasoning for not going back to rectifiy his ticket, but he should have made the effort and all this would have been avoided.
But I agree, the big man assaulted him, for selfish reasons, he wanted the train to move.
Ive heard his reasoning for not going back to rectifiy his ticket, but he should have made the effort and all this would have been avoided.
But I agree, the big man assaulted him, for selfish reasons, he wanted the train to move.
The-Golden-Vision
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THIS. The money for the ticket was said to be 'ringfenced' only to disappear mysteriously at the due-diligence stage.
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