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When does it become acceptable for fans of Manchester United to start supporting other clubs?
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bazalini
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In light of the way we are playing since Moyes took over - when do fans say enough is enough and start supporting other clubs?

At Christmas there, I had a choice of buying a Manchester Utd home jersey against the Arsenal home jersey for my youngest child. Of course I bought the United jersey as I am a T0p Red and have no problem with my children supporting a team of over priced second rate players on massive salaries. But that is for now - but how long can people go building up false hope and lying to children?
 

How can you even consider swerving your team? I feel for 'fans' who have never felt the same emotion of passion i have with Everton, when we loose i go into meself and contain fume, when we win i tend to be flying, infact when Everton do boss things i am at my happiest. To not feel these emotions even the bad ones would be a massive shame.
 
So many fans here bought season tickets when Blackpool were in the Prem. After relegation they went back to rs, Manu, Chelsea etc

TBH, if Bristol City got into the Prem, I would get one there. But then I have followed them for nearly as long as Eberton, but havnt been to a match for years.
 

Rog Bennett, who loves writing hurtful words about Man United, put this today on ESPN. I've only been around American Man United fans and honestly, if it weren't for people like Neville, I wouldn't believe there are many United fans with 2 bits of sense to them.

Is Man Utd's form hurting their global fanbase?

Manchester United legend Sir Bobby Charlton was not the only one left shaking his head this week at the end of another dismal defeat under David Moyes.

While the four home losses United suffered by the defending Premier League champion since December have contributed to the club's share price tumble on the New York Stock Exchange, the aftershocks caused by David Moyes' tenure are also being experienced within the fickle world of global fandom.

Although United have a worldwide hardcore of avid fans, many of whom supported the club before the advent of the Premier League, some newer, foreign fans are finding it hard to adapt to a stark reality which one American supporter compared to "being taken out to fine dining seven nights a week and now… eating at Arby's."

Owner of an Indianapolis soccer bar, the Chatham Tap, Daniel Jones has experienced first-hand the impact of United's dismal run of form. "Over the past few seasons we have always had great crowds for United. Even when they kick off at 7:30 a.m. the bar has always been full but We are simply not seeing those faces this season." he said. "Younger fans who have never seen United lose before are not turning up and if United are not playing a marquee team, we will only have a handful of diehards at the bar."

The Manchester club is rightly proud of its global following. In their 2012 SEC filing, the club claimed a bloated 659 million followers worldwide. Yet they are currently stumbling at a crucial time when the Premier League's profile is exploding in North America. With every game and every team now watchable via NBC, viewership is reported to be up as much as 70 percent.

"There is a new wave of fans tuning in," says Paul Swangard, managing director of the Warsaw sports marketing center at the university of Oregon. "They are more inclined to attach themselves to a winner than be attached to a struggling team through thick and thin."

In the past, this phenomenon has been quickly reduced to a harangue about "plastic" fans or “bandwagon jumpers" yet it is more a refraction of football's modern global reality -- one in which nascent allegiances are fluid and fandom, freed from the constraints of locale and in the absence of generations of familial support, can be connected to a particular star player or style of play. Will such global fandom prove as temporary as devotees of a particular musical act deserting the band after the release of a poor album?

As David Carter, executive director of Marshall Sports Business Institute at USC suggests, this is a very American phenomenon. "Casual fans can be fickle. They want a winner but they also want a fun experience. A down year will be okay if the gameday experience at bars and 'watch parties' is still lively," he warned. "If the buzz is lost, other major international franchises have the chance to captivate these relatively agnostic soccer fans."

Bar-owner Jones, a Manchester United supporter himself, has lived this phenomenon. "The world of support is fluid," he suggests. "I will see people in a Manchester City shirt for one game and a Barcelona jersey the next. It depends on who is having the best year. As the best players and teams change, so does Midwest fandom."

Yet this is not just a Midwestern thing. "The American sport psyche is in essence built around star power and big brands," said Swangard. "In our domestic reality, we grow up with our [NFL and NBA] teams institutionalized in the culture of our community but for these emerging fans of foreign sports' teams, the cost to switching and barriers to changing are so low," he said. "Winning is important. Fans offer their support because they want to be part of a 'we' and they want that 'we' to feel successful."

The Glazers' team do have a built-in advantage in the eyes of Randy Bernstein, President & CEO of Premier Partnerships. "United have had a running head start on the rest of the Premier League," he said. "At the outset, they were the one team most Americans had heard of with their great coach [Sir Alex Ferguson], David Beckham and winning tradition," he said. "But the more educated Americans get, the more allegiances shift. They no longer have the English Premier League to themselves with Arsenal, Manchester City, and Chelsea doing so well and Liverpool playing strongly again."

So how long does it take for a brand built on winning to become tarnished?

"To some degree we don't know for sure," Swangard admitted. "This global phenomenon of fandom is so new, the football teams are at the vanguard and it is a landgrab," he said. "There is a core fan base who will stay with them but the casual fan base does not have a long window of patience and will attach themselves to another club or player... If Rooney goes to Chelsea, their allegiances will go with him."

Ultimately, David Carter believes the answer lies in the hands of the Glazers. "United's footing is solid... The strength of the brand can easily survive a down season or two given its goodwill," he said. "Fans [must] believe ownership is doing everything within its control to field a competitive team. A short term appearance of disarray can be overcome provided it is not seen as chronic by those that financial support the team."

Yet Swangard believes United have reason to be worried. "Their vision of their business globally becomes different to the domestic one the further away they get [from Old Trafford]. In the United States, the brand is built on 'Sir Alex' and 20 years of trophy case building," he said.

"Fans will get bored of a team that is mediocre pretty fast."
 
You can change your car, house, wife, religion and even gender. You can never change your side.

Turncoats are second only to paedos in my estimation.
 
Its not different to when C4 started doing American Football over here is it though? I remember the programme was ace, and I started "following" Chigago Bears. Then someone else started doing well, Miami I think with a brilliant QB, (Dan Marino?), and started following them.

Havnt bothered since the coverage stopped though. Its just sports fans really.
 
I'll never understand why a fan would chase after clubs doing well rather than sticking with a club through thick and thin. I always wonder if they feel as happy as one of the die hard fans when the team they picked wins something and if they don't I wonder if they ever think if there's something more to football that they're missing out on. Then again I probably can't understand it because my dad brought me up so that football and Everton are pretty much one and the same for me
 
I'll never understand why a fan would chase after clubs doing well rather than sticking with a club through thick and thin. I always wonder if they feel as happy as one of the die hard fans when the team they picked wins something and if they don't I wonder if they ever think if there's something more to football that they're missing out on. Then again I probably can't understand it because my dad brought me up so that football and Everton are pretty much one and the same for me

I honestly think it is more stronger in footie than most other sports. The tie to your team that is. Like I follow Bristol Rugby. Used to go a lot when my lad was younger, but I dont dislike Bath or Gloucester like I do the RS. Same with Cricket. Somerset is my local side, but I like Gloucestershire to do well. Weird really.
 

Some sensible ones though.....

Finishing in the Europa League spots isn't the end of the world, if that even is what may happen this year. This is the biggest transition many of us have ever seen as adult Utd supporters.

For the last 20 years, we wondered what it was like for the other 71 teams in the league, where their manager wasn't a God and they weren't virtually guaranteed a trophy every year or so. This is what it is like to support a 'normal' football team.
 
Deffo a two edged sword global bandwagon planks buying merchandise, are they really fans with posts like this?

Not for me.
 
Its not different to when C4 started doing American Football over here is it though? I remember the programme was ace, and I started "following" Chigago Bears. Then someone else started doing well, Miami I think with a brilliant QB, (Dan Marino?), and started following them.

Havnt bothered since the coverage stopped though. Its just sports fans really.

This for me, I started off following the Patriots as the first Super Bowl I watched was the Janet Jackson Nipslip bowl, followed them for a couple of years, then when I went to New York I attended a Giants game and I've been a Giants fan ever since.
 
Some sensible ones though.....

Finishing in the Europa League spots isn't the end of the world, if that even is what may happen this year. This is the biggest transition many of us have ever seen as adult Utd supporters.

For the last 20 years, we wondered what it was like for the other 71 teams in the league, where their manager wasn't a God and they weren't virtually guaranteed a trophy every year or so. This is what it is like to support a 'normal' football team.

Eh?? Thought there were 92 clubs me. Probably a typo.
 

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