FC Midtjylland and free kicks

[jerseytoffee]

https://decorrespondent.nl/2607/How...is-Danish-football-club/230219386155-d2948861

Have just read this an was interested with their take on set pieces and how successful they have been, which is in stark contrast to what Martinez does and our lack of success in this area, so thought I would share.

As a manager you would have thought you would want to get any advantage possible. I still can't understand his reluctance to practise set pieces in training.

 

[Donald Twain]

All the available data shows we're sh%!e.

 

[blue4eva77]

On how the model says Greuther Furth could of played in the Premier League last season.

' Ankersen is able to say this because the model Midtjylland use ranks all the clubs in Europe as if they are in one big league. Greuther Fürth didn’t play against the Premier League, but they did play HSV of Hamburg, who in turn played Bayern Munich, who, in the Champions’ League, played Manchester City, who played the rest of the Premier League. Thanks to European club tournaments, the model can cross-reference results from different leagues and use advanced statistical toolsto rank every club on the continent '.

*sigh* as soon as i read that part.

 

[toffeejack]

and what have midtjylland ever accomplished?

sometimes teams don't have any talented players and have to use inventiveness/abnormal play to try and be competitive i.e. stoke when they first came up in the prem.

we should focus more on set plays in both areas though, must be said.

 

[ftk43]

and what have midtjylland ever accomplished?

sometimes teams don't have any talented players and have to use inventiveness/abnormal play to try and be competitive i.e. stoke when they first came up in the prem.

we should focus more on set plays in both areas though, must be said.

Mate, have you read the article?

They are 11 points clear ahead of the 2nd team in the league, this is an accomplishment, they are not just trying to be competitive, they are succeding at it too, i would'nt be surprised to see them make some noise in Europe some time soon. And it's all based on use of statistic data and algorithms, including even signing players.

It's all very pragmatical and it seems much more effective than Roberto's idealistic approach to play football a certain way, and refuse to adapt until it's too late.

 

[ilikecheese]

https://decorrespondent.nl/2607/How...is-Danish-football-club/230219386155-d2948861

Have just read this an was interested with their take on set pieces and how successful they have been, which is in stark contrast to what Martinez does and our lack of success in this area, so thought I would share.

As a manager you would have thought you would want to get any advantage possible. I still can't understand his reluctance to practise set pieces in training.

So you've watched us in training? You've seen that we don't practice set pieces?

Rubbish.

 

[jerseytoffee]

So you've watched us in training? You've seen that we don't practice set pieces?

Rubbish.

Of course not, but I'm sure Roberto has stated himself that he does not see the point in practicing set pieces as results are more down to luck.

Maybe they do a bit, but it certainly doesn't look like they practice set pieces.

 

[ilikecheese]

Of course not, but I'm sure Roberto has stated himself that he does not see the point in practicing set pieces as results are more down to luck.

Maybe they do a bit, but it certainly doesn't look like they practice set pieces.

Please provide a link. The ONLY thing I can think of that is remotely close is that he's stated that he prefers goals from open play. Certainly doesn't mean we don't practice them.

In addition, it very well could be down to the players on the field. Alcaraz is the only player that seems arsed at winning headers on corners. He wins them all the time when he plays.

 

[zirc]

Please provide a link. The ONLY thing I can think of that is remotely close is that he's stated that he prefers goals from open play. Certainly doesn't mean we don't practice them.

In addition, it very well could be down to the players on the field. Alcaraz is the only player that seems arsed at winning headers on corners. He wins them all the time when he plays.

I can't find the article, but I recall reading something where he stated that the chance of scoring from a corner is 2%, so it's not an efficient use of resources to practise them. I don't recall him saying anything about set pieces in general other than he finds goals from open play more satisfying.

 

[boris]

Of course not, but I'm sure Roberto has stated himself that he does not see the point in practicing set pieces as results are more down to luck.

Maybe they do a bit, but it certainly doesn't look like they practice set pieces.

I agree that our set pieces do seem to need work however it's surely far more difficult to execute a fee kick here due to the quality of the defenders you're playing against.

You can't just throw a ball in the 'mixer' as the likes of Courtois will take it with there eyes shut. Over here we have to try and be more clever, hit the front many, runners pulling people out of position etc which makes executing a set piece far more difficult than were Midtjlland play.

 

[degsy]

https://decorrespondent.nl/2607/How...is-Danish-football-club/230219386155-d2948861

Have just read this an was interested with their take on set pieces and how successful they have been, which is in stark contrast to what Martinez does and our lack of success in this area, so thought I would share.

As a manager you would have thought you would want to get any advantage possible. I still can't understand his reluctance to practise set pieces in training.

Nothing works as good as a well rehearsed ad-lib...OK so long as the Club use the numbers and don't become a slave to them

There are numerous permutations to corners ( short ) and freekicks, than are dreamed of in your Philosophy Roberto

 

[jerseytoffee]

Please provide a link. The ONLY thing I can think of that is remotely close is that he's stated that he prefers goals from open play. Certainly doesn't mean we don't practice them.

In addition, it very well could be down to the players on the field. Alcaraz is the only player that seems arsed at winning headers on corners. He wins them all the time when he plays.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...everton-fc-analysis-corners-something-6720222

Apologies your right, was something I read a while ago and remembered in a certain way, as in that he doesn't think working on them in training is worthwhile, as it doesn't guarantee results and is down to luck, so they don't.

So maybe they do, maybe they don't.

But thought it was interesting article anyway with their ideas on set pieces compared to Roberto's.

 

[toffeejack]

Mate, have you read the article?

They are 11 points clear ahead of the 2nd team in the league, this is an accomplishment, they are not just trying to be competitive, they are succeding at it too, i would'nt be surprised to see them make some noise in Europe some time soon. And it's all based on use of statistic data and algorithms, including even signing players.

It's all very pragmatical and it seems much more effective than Roberto's idealistic approach to play football a certain way, and refuse to adapt until it's too late.

i didn't read the article, no ha

 

[toffeejack]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...everton-fc-analysis-corners-something-6720222

Apologies your right, was something I read a while ago and remembered in a certain way, as in that he doesn't think working on them in training is worthwhile, as it doesn't guarantee results and is down to luck, so they don't.

So maybe they do, maybe they don't.

But thought it was interesting article anyway with their ideas on set pieces compared to Roberto's.

i think they possibly practice them, but it's very limited based on what he said. quick 10 min session ha

 

[SerenityNigh]

On how the model says Greuther Furth could of played in the Premier League last season.

' Ankersen is able to say this because the model Midtjylland use ranks all the clubs in Europe as if they are in one big league. Greuther Fürth didn’t play against the Premier League, but they did play HSV of Hamburg, who in turn played Bayern Munich, who, in the Champions’ League, played Manchester City, who played the rest of the Premier League. Thanks to European club tournaments, the model can cross-reference results from different leagues and use advanced statistical toolsto rank every club on the continent '.

*sigh* as soon as i read that part.

Surprised you got past this:

It’s hard to find a more interesting club in world football right now than Denmark’s FC Midtjylland.