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The Bolton analogy is a fair one as they won a cup, I believe?

While the time aspect is massive Moyes also went almost three years without a first team signing and consistently had his best players sold from under him too. Not an easy situation to work in.

That said I've always, always got the impression that Allardyce was a much better man manager than Moyes and recognised Merit over reputation. Thankfully, as you say, the game appears to be moving on from their type of football.

Nah, lost a cup final. He got them promted and then in his last four years had them 8th, 6th, 8th and 7th and in a cup final before leaving.

From 2001 to 2007 Everton spent 218 million (in wages, transfers and agent fees) to finish 4th, 6th, 7th, 11th, 15th and 17th and Bolton spent 160.8 million to finish 6th, 7th, 8th, 8th, 16th and 17th. And then Allardyce left and Moyes' everton pulled away while Bolton collapsed and allardyce got sacked twice.

Mind like you said, while obviously it's easier to work in a club where everyone is your player then to go elsewhere, after 2007 things got harder for Moyes too, the wage bill kept creeping up, but transfers basically stopped altogether after 2008. I think some of that was his choice, though. Like he could have sold saha, arteta, cahill and rodwell earlier but he decided that keeping his team together and giving them raises was better than selling to buy.

Like I said, much of a muchness for me. I think Allardyce was very smart about attracting players who would fit into his system and getting old stars looking for one last pay check settled into English football in a time period where most clubs didn't make an effort to reach out and help players with language and accommodation and stuff in a new country. Whereas Moyes had a real eye for a player and an ability to instill loyalty in the players he was loyal to in kind which meant they performed for him.

Neither have won a trophy and neither are ever likely to.
 
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Nah, lost a cup final. He got them promted and then in his last four years had them 8th, 6th, 8th and 7th and in a cup final before leaving.

From 2001 to 2007 Everton spent 218 million (in wages, transfers and agent fees) to finish 4th, 6th, 7th, 11th, 15th and 17th and Bolton spent 160.8 million to finish 6th, 7th, 8th, 8th, 16th and 17th. And then Allardyce left and Moyes' everton pulled away while Bolton collapsed and allardyce got sacked twice.

Mind like you said, while obviously it's easier to work in a club where everyone is your player then to go elsewhere, after 2007 things got harder for Moyes too, the wage bill kept creeping up, but transfers basically stopped altogether after 2008. I think some of that was his choice, though. Like he could have sold saha, arteta, cahill and rodwell earlier but he decided that keeping his team together and giving them raises was better than selling to buy.

Like I said, much of a muchness for me. I think Allardyce was very smart about attracting players who would fit into his system and getting old stars looking for one last pay check settled into English football in a time period where most clubs didn't make an effort to reach out and help players with language and accommodation and stuff in a new country. Whereas Moyes had a real eye for a player and an ability to unstill loyalty in the players he was loyal to in kind which meant they performed for him.

Neither have won a trophy and neither are ever likely to.

I wonder, especially in Allardyce's case, if he's even concerned about winning a single trophy? Moyes, I know is desperate, but his own limitations make it so, so unlikely. Fat Sam has never even prioritised a cup in all his time.

What a bizarre situation to be in.
 

I just think percentage managers like that have had their day. It's the likes of Martinez who rule the game, now.

I agree with this.

Like many on here, I always believed Moyes to Newcastle was nailed on at some stage.

And whilst he will no doubt be the bookie's favourite if and when Pardew is chopped, I wouldn't be too sure he will get the job.

The trend is now swinging away from the Big Sam/Big Eck/MON/Davie Moyes/Pulis school of British yeoman manager and in favour of perceived "sexy" appointments like Roberto, Koeman or Pucchatino.

If is as if clubs are trying to unearth the new Jose instead of the new Ferguson.
 

I agree with this.

Like many on here, I always believed Moyes to Newcastle was nailed on at some stage.

And whilst he will no doubt be the bookie's favourite if and when Pardew is chopped, I wouldn't be too sure he will get the job.

The trend is now swinging away from the Big Sam/Big Eck/MON/Davie Moyes/Pulis school of British yeoman manager and in favour of perceived "sexy" appointments like Roberto, Koeman or Pucchatino.

If is as if clubs are trying to unearth the new Jose instead of the new Ferguson.

Yeah, does seem the trend. Steve Bruce had to drop back into the championship for a job, like.

Moyes has too much of an ego to ever do that, like. Celtic is still my bet for him.
 
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