Fans who don't "get" our club

[BlueLlama]

Not sure if this is a recent thing or just social media etc makes it more noticable but it seems to me a good chunk of our fanbase has no concept of what it means, or traditionally meant, to be an Evertonian. The old "School of Science" worked two ways. Not only were our team techinically gifted but the fans were knowledgable and sensible. We left the stupid banners and cringy songs to the mutants across the park and actually went for a football match not a circus.

Everton fans are supposed to be grounded, smart, with a strong sense of tradition of all things Blue. That includes being winners by the way. We used to win stuff you know.

So when I see people advocating Rafael (RS darling who called us "a small club"), Moyes (did a wonderful job initially then back stabbed us after he left - remember how we should have let Baines leave for his own good?) I wonder do they actually "get" Everton at all?

Like wise on the last poll there were a huge number of peopel wanting Bilic in - the man who screwed our club over by feigning injury and costing us a fortune only to be magically cured when his contract was torn up.

Surely no real Evertonian wants any of those people given the honour of running our club?

There is more to it than just wanting anyone in charge.

Look at how Bobby, an awful manager but by all accounts a lovely man, is being treated. We have had people abusing the manager while he was out with his wife, referring to him as "scum" amongst other insults on this very website that used to be better than that.

Not to mention those who wanted us to lose games just so he would get sacked quicker.....

A while ago some people here were patting the kopite "heroes" on the back after they snuck into the away end. Ridiculous. When did being a lad and a trying to appear to be hard case be more important than being a true blue who detests everything about their club?

I could go on but I think you get the idea. Maybe I'm out of touch (Im in my 40s, old enough to have seen us win stuff in the 80s and the witnessed the full horror of most of what happened after) but it really does seem like many fans just dont get what this noble club is (or should be) about.

 

[BiggyRat]

 

[thebluenosebolt]

I blame mtv

 

[bluestevon]

Not sure if this is a recent thing or just social media etc makes it more noticable but it seems to me a good chunk of our fanbase has no concept of what it means, or traditionally meant, to be an Evertonian. The old "School of Science" worked two ways. Not only were our team techinically gifted but the fans were knowledgable and sensible. We left the stupid banners and cringy songs to the mutants across the park and actually went for a football match not a circus.

Everton fans are supposed to be grounded, smart, with a strong sense of tradition of all things Blue. That includes being winners by the way. We used to win stuff you know.

So when I see people advocating Rafael (RS darling who called us "a small club"), Moyes (did a wonderful job initially then back stabbed us after he left - remember how we should have let Baines leave for his own good?) I wonder do they actually "get" Everton at all?

Like wise on the last poll there were a huge number of peopel wanting Bilic in - the man who screwed our club over by feigning injury and costing us a fortune only to be magically cured when his contract was torn up.

Surely no real Evertonian wants any of those people given the honour of running our club?

There is more to it than just wanting anyone in charge.

Look at how Bobby, an awful manager but by all accounts a lovely man, is being treated. We have had people abusing the manager while he was out with his wife, referring to him as "scum" amongst other insults on this very website that used to be better than that.

Not to mention those who wanted us to lose games just so he would get sacked quicker.....

A while ago some people here were patting the kopite "heroes" on the back after they snuck into the away end. Ridiculous. When did being a lad and a trying to appear to be hard case be more important than being a true blue who detests everything about their club?

I could go on but I think you get the idea. Maybe I'm out of touch (Im in my 40s, old enough to have seen us win stuff in the 80s and the witnessed the full horror of most of what happened after) but it really does seem like many fans just dont get what this noble club is (or should be) about.

Interesting but revisionist in the extreme, basically ,mate, it is you saying that once upon a time we had a complete set of fans that happened to be immaculate and recently that has changed, utter nonsense really, we have and always will have a mixed set of fans like every club does, just that our 'cross the road to avoid them' element is a lot smaller than other teams - and still is really

Easy to look back at the days before social media became what it is nowadays and see it through rose tinted glasses.

Basically the post should read - why is football different to how it was in the 1980's-90's?

 

[BlueLlama]

Interesting but revisionist in the extreme, basically ,mate, it is you saying that once upon a time we had a complete set of fans that happened to be immaculate and recently that has changed, utter nonsense really, we have and always will have a mixed set of fans like every club does, just that our 'cross the road to avoid them' element is a lot smaller than other teams - and still is really

Easy to look back at the days before social media became what it is nowadays and see it through rose tinted glasses.

Basically the post should read - why is football different to how it was in the 1980's-90's?

Not at all, I have raised that as a slight defence for some of the behaviour, I never said in the OP that we had perfect fans just I dont recall anyone lobbying for Dalglish, Shankley etc to be our boss!

 

[stanleypark]

Who's to say how you should 'get our club'? Are you telling people to 'get our club' your way?

My ideals for how I'd like our fans to be could be different to yours, but I respect that fans are different. Maybe you should.

 

[bluestevon]

Not at all, I have raised that as a slight defence for some of the behaviour, I never said in the OP that we had perfect fans just I dont recall anyone lobbying for Dalglish, Shankley etc to be our boss!

and you wouldn't hear anything about the other weird shouts now if it wasn't for the proliferance of social media either mate is what i was trying to say.

The fans haven't changed (that much), just now rather than the people you talk to generally being sound and mates you can hear the opinion of every last person with a keyboard so yeah you will get a lot of weird shout outs now, plus factor in the WUM's, trolls etc and you have a nice soup their

 

[Khalekan]

Not sure if this is a recent thing or just social media etc makes it more noticable but it seems to me a good chunk of our fanbase has no concept of what it means, or traditionally meant, to be an Evertonian. The old "School of Science" worked two ways. Not only were our team techinically gifted but the fans were knowledgable and sensible. We left the stupid banners and cringy songs to the mutants across the park and actually went for a football match not a circus.

Everton fans are supposed to be grounded, smart, with a strong sense of tradition of all things Blue. That includes being winners by the way. We used to win stuff you know.

So when I see people advocating Rafael (RS darling who called us "a small club"), Moyes (did a wonderful job initially then back stabbed us after he left - remember how we should have let Baines leave for his own good?) I wonder do they actually "get" Everton at all?

Like wise on the last poll there were a huge number of peopel wanting Bilic in - the man who screwed our club over by feigning injury and costing us a fortune only to be magically cured when his contract was torn up.

Surely no real Evertonian wants any of those people given the honour of running our club?

There is more to it than just wanting anyone in charge.

Look at how Bobby, an awful manager but by all accounts a lovely man, is being treated. We have had people abusing the manager while he was out with his wife, referring to him as "scum" amongst other insults on this very website that used to be better than that.

Not to mention those who wanted us to lose games just so he would get sacked quicker.....

A while ago some people here were patting the kopite "heroes" on the back after they snuck into the away end. Ridiculous. When did being a lad and a trying to appear to be hard case be more important than being a true blue who detests everything about their club?

I could go on but I think you get the idea. Maybe I'm out of touch (Im in my 40s, old enough to have seen us win stuff in the 80s and the witnessed the full horror of most of what happened after) but it really does seem like many fans just dont get what this noble club is (or should be) about.

Very good post.

One point I disagree on is you saying some of this new breed of Blue want Rafael as boss.

Now, although I have read several fellows on here say they wouldn't be surprised if Rafael was viewed as a prime candidate by the regime noveau, I have yet to read one poster actually saying they want him here.

 

[RFUS]

Don't think anyone has the right to define what Everton fans are "supposed to be".

And as others have alluded to, if we had Twitter in the 70s, 80s, 90s etc I'm sure we'd have seen a wider variety of fans showing a wider variety of idiotic behaviour. It's an Internet cesspit.

 

[Khalekan]

Interesting but revisionist in the extreme, basically ,mate, it is you saying that once upon a time we had a complete set of fans that happened to be immaculate and recently that has changed, utter nonsense really, we have and always will have a mixed set of fans like every club does, just that our 'cross the road to avoid them' element is a lot smaller than other teams - and still is really

Easy to look back at the days before social media became what it is nowadays and see it through rose tinted glasses.

Basically the post should read - why is football different to how it was in the 1980's-90's?

Before the internet it was Tommy Smith's letters page in the Pink Echo

 

[Azzurri]

I thought the Kopites in the United end was hilarious, and people have the right to support the club in any way they want as well as protest against anything they please in a respectful manner.

Best get rid of that season ticket I've had since I was 5 and stop spending thousands of pounds a year going to away games up and down the country.

 

[bluestevon]

Before the internet it was Tommy Smith's letters page in the Pink Echo

I remember the days well mate

 

[malfosse]

Catterick received worse abuse than Martinez, for dropping Alex Young.

 

[sixtynineseventy]

Think your take on EFC depends on your age. If you did your apprenticeship in the Boys Pen with BK (and me) then you will tend to have a greater understanding of the ups and downs of being a blue. If you are a teenager and relatively new to EFC - and all that brings in this day and age - then you view will be somewhat different.

The game has changed beyond recognition since the late 80's and the European ban on British teams and again since the introduction of Sky and Sky money. Your take on Everton and whether you get it is surely affected by the emotional enjoyment and stress brought to you over your own lifetime.

I think we all tend to 'get' EFC, just in different ways.

Sixtynineseventy (age 60!)

 

[Azzurri]

I could equally say someone like you who doesn't live in Liverpool and rarely goes to Goodison doesn't understand what it means to be an Evertonian, but I won't.