Fair review of the 'big society'

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It's a dog's breakfast of a critique, to be fair.

The Big Society has already been placed in the waste bin of history marked "FAILED PROPAGANDA".

It's toe curlingly bad and just demonstrates how clueless the Tories are. If they didn't have the Liberal fig leaf to cover them they'd be a laughing stock already.
 
is big society were people work for nothing as volunteers when they used to get a wage for a days work? or when business men have a say in how society is run - not the friendly cornershop owner type who maybee pays a few bob to splash his grocery store name on a local kids footy team top but the type who despises the minimum wage and any workers rights. in victorian times it was philantrophy - the rich provided for the good of the poor, in these times of tory aggression the poor are paying the rich by providing their services for feck all under the banner of big society.

remember 'we are all in this together'.
 

Its bollocks frankly,the fact the Big society has had to be relaunched no more than 3 times in 10 month should tell you this isn't going to fly,its an excuse to bring in privatization nothing more under the guise of "charities can bid for services" yeah right like they can compete with the big boys its a nonsense.

The NHS,schools local services will all suffer if this ill thought out policy goes through as they are privatized one by one and lets be fair here the water,BT,gas,trains to name a few all shining examples of the tories selling off the family silver last they were in power so make no mistake about it they'll have no issue doing it again this time with what little's left.

What Cameron utterly fails to comprehend is that a lot of people do readily volunteer but he just doesn't get that as money is slashed to charites across the board,and what charity is "going to speed up broadband"?(mentioned in the article) as i said its utter nonsense indeed a policy so derided only a few people now keep on mentioning it sadly one of those is our clueless prime minister.

Just a few rambling thoughts on it.
 
I've given the article a read, and also read what people have posted on here.

I find politics interesting and fascinating, but there are some things that I just can't fathom.

One being the 'phantom power' projected on us by political parties, trying to persuade us they are there to help us, and actually can.

The second being how badly the public want to be governed. The proof? Professing one party to be good and the other to be bad. For all the intelligent people in the world, its astounding how the masses could fall for this…

Media power is the root of the deception. What is portrayed to us, is accepted as truth to the point where we subconsciously try to convince others. This is evident in this thread.

NOW GET JO ON!!!!
 
Of course all politico's are in it for themselves as we all are,it's life you want more than me and i want more than you it'll never ever change so the red V blue will continue becuase we need it to continue and this BS that we dont need governments is just that BS there would be chaos without them,they are sadly a necessarily evil.

I do agree with you about the media though maybe it'll change with the slow death of printed media we'll see
 
It's that sense of fear that is being capitalised on...

People begging to be governed, under the impression that without conventional political parties, all would descend into chaos.

The more powerful the internet becomes, the more massive corporations try and harness that power for their own gain. Facebook being one of the largest harvesters of information available. I'm sure they count people and not money. Where one goes, the other follows. Commodity's for corporations are changing.

Tonight, if you watch or listen to the news on whichever channel you choose, count the postive stories, and the negative ones. (Or the good and the bad). Make this a daily habit, and ask yourself a quick question. Are you outraged by what you see or hear???

I was. It's almost like the pick of the news is designed to provoke reaction, and make solutions more extreme in our heads, when everyday fantastic things happen in the world, that should inspire us.
 

Muggins for Mayor. Take a bow sir.

Talksport are the masters at what you've just briefly mentioned. They actually make me want to phone up and complain about something I don't have any knowledge on or I don't care about, but I guess that's their aim

Politics really aren't for me, I like it when I hear an impartial view on something, but sadly, most of the time I feel like I'm reading a 12 year old's diary about an argument in the playground. I will have a peek at the opening post later on, hopefully it will be a refreshing read
 
Alio said:
Muggins for Mayor. Take a bow sir.

Talksport are the masters at what you've just briefly mentioned. They actually make me want to phone up and complain about something I don't have any knowledge on or I don't care about, but I guess that's their aim

Politics really aren't for me, I like it when I hear an impartial view on something, but sadly, most of the time I feel like I'm reading a 12 year old's diary about an argument in the playground. I will have a peek at the opening post later on, hopefully it will be a refreshing read
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Cheers mate. I agree. TS base their entire survival on it.

Maybe I question things too much...

"I ain't got the answers / just the questions I suppose,
Why we all stand back / as the crimes unfold..."
 
I believe in the state - the Big State - a powerful machine that uses statecraft to intervene to plan economic life and address social inequality. That involves having political parties, because there's no other means to channel coherently the views of millions of people about what sort of society they want. In theory, political parties should be representative of different views on how the state should run. It get's hijacked by powerful interest groups - that's the problem, not politcal parties per se.

I'm always suspicious about the argument for the primacy of lots of different interest groups, 'complexities' or 'pluralities'. I'll take good governance of the mass of the population over the self interest of that lot any day of the week.
 
davek said:
I believe in the state - the Big State - a powerful machine that uses statecraft to intervene to plan economic life and address social inequality. That involves having political parties, because there's no other means to channel coherently the views of millions of people about what sort of society they want. In theory, political parties should be representative of different views on how the state should run. It get's hijacked by powerful interest groups - that's the problem, not politcal parties per se.

I'm always suspicious about the argument for the primacy of lots of different interest groups, 'complexities' or 'pluralities'. I'll take good governance of the mass of the population over the self interest of that lot any day of the week.
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I'd agree by definition that 'political' groups are required to represent society or visions by individuals en masse.

What doesn't convince me, is those we are cornered into voting for, and those who blindly support what is relatively unknown to them...

The current choice we have are motivated by monetary rewards and thus, more power.

I'd love to see a politician say "Don't pay me, until I deliver what I am here to represent you for"
 
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