FA bans use of "Yid" among football supporters

[harry]

Not that simple.
THFCs Jewish owners don't mind us using it.
The Met Police said they would not prosecute Spurs fans using it.
David Cameron said he is ok with it.

Only Baddiel who used to black up for cheap laughs and the Society of Black Lawyers have got a problem.

Baddiel was on the radio today discussing it in one of those shows what have two people with opposite views. He wouldn't let the other fella talk without interrupting. after a lot of going round the houses he said he wouldn't mind if only Jews sang it but for anyone else it's wrong. Oh and it your fault that Chelsea chant it.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

Baddiel is being an idiot-- There is absolutely no way he would be saying this if he were a Spurs fan (or even, not a Chelsea fan).
But this is the most I've heard of David Baddiel in the papers in the last 10 years, so I'm sure he isn't too fussed about it in the end.
Really enjoyed this article here:

http://threeandin.com/?p=27413

A letter from a Jewish Tottenham fan to David Baddiel

Dear David

Here we are again. The Y word. Or to refer to its real name, The C Word. Because as you and I both know this little problem is not about Spurs fans using the word Yid in a positive or negative manner. It’s about feeling uncomfortable at Chelsea games.

I can appreciate where you are coming from. As a Jewish Tottenham fan myself, going to Stamford Bridge is an incredibly difficult day out for me. I’m 37 and I look like a typical NW London Jew. You and I would pick each other out as Jews from 100 yards at any holiday destination on Earth.

I even have a brilliant Jewish hooter to top off the look. I am what I am. Getting off the tube at Fulham Broadway though, I might as well have that yellow star sewn to my coat, because you are quite right this is not what football is about. Its a quite vile experience and as a father of two boys, one that I wont be putting them through until they are a lot older, if at all. To be honest though, this is your problem and not mine.

We turned an insult into a positive. All on our own. The gay community did it with the word queer. Its quite clever really. Quite why you suggest that those who turned the insult into a term of fraternity should lead the way, so those that use it as a racial insult can be told not to use it, is quite frankly illogical.

Chelsea, West Ham, Leeds. These are the three places where I have heard the gassing noises and felt that pang of nausea in my stomach. A pang you describe and which I’m sure you feel somewhat ashamed about. Be that as it may, Tottenham on a match day is probably the safest environment in England for a Jewish person. Isn’t that lovely? My family have 4 tickets and we are reform Jews. However I often give any spares to two ultra orthodox Spurs fans.

They both wear kippot and one of them looks like every rabbi you’ve ever seen in your Haggadah. They get cheered through the streets of Tottenham. They love it! People smile at them, chant Yiddo at them and they wear their spurs shirts and their tzitzit with pride.

How wonderful is that? In an era where there is so much bitterness and negativity, these two fellas can enjoy their football and their religion and feel totally safe. Thirty years ago that might have not been the case as the bananas hailed down on black wingers and coins were thrown at Jews to see if they would pick them up.

David, I am a huge fan of your work, but in this you are so wide of the mark that I find your view offensive. I find what you are trying to do, actually borderline anti-Semetic. Don’t hide away the victims and shut them up because it makes your match day experience difficult. This is Chelsea’s problem. This is West Hams problem. This is Leeds United’s problem.

In Germany in 1933, SS men stood outside Jewish shops to deter anyone from entering. In 1934, buses, trains and park benches had seats marked out for us to sit on and our children were taught specifically anti-Semetic ideas. In 1935 the Nuremberg Law was passed and Jews lost their rights to be German citizens and marriage between Jews and non-Jews became illegal. You know how this story ends.

In 2013 Jews and non Jews in a small corner of London, are united. Please please please, don’t poppycock that up.

 

[Clint Planet]

And yet there are plenty of Jewish people who find it offensive (Baddeil and my two colleagues for a start).

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

And yet there are plenty of Jewish people who find it offensive (Baddeil and my two colleagues for a start).

There will always be some people who find things offensive
I'm sorry that they're offended and hurt, that's never a good thing
In this instance though I would argue that these people are wrong

 

[Clint Planet]

There will always be some people who find things offensive
I'm sorry that they're offended and hurt, that's never a good thing
In this instance though I would argue that these people are wrong

*sigh*

And are you going to wag your finger at black people who dislike "sambo" and asians who object to "[Poor language removed]"? Gay people who bristle at "homo"? It's not for you to judge who is allowed to be offended, especially when certain groups of people have been historically oppressed.

Nobody is saying that Spurs fans are hate-mongering or anything - I'm absolutely certain that they're not - but the fact remains it is a demeaning word and as such plays its part in the great big thing that is anti-semitism. Non-Jewish Spurs fans (the vast majority of them, that is), far from "reclaiming" the word a la "nigga" or "queer," are only serving to somehow legitimise it.

My black acquaintances can use the N word, my gay ones can use the word "queer." I cannot use either without reinforcing the prejudice that their same actions defiantly challenge. So I won't use them.

And guess what - it's really easy not to use them! I don't resent it in any way. My life is still loads of fun!

 

[Clint Planet]

Geoff Deane, scriptwriter (and ex-singer in Modern Romance, pop pickers) on his Facebook page:

Some facts. Yid is not a Jewish word used by Jews. It's a word that in my and my parent's lifetime was only ever used in hate. My mum (89) will still quiver when she hears it. Imagine saying the N word to an old black lady. That's the reaction you'll get from my mum. When the fascist blackshirts marched through east london where my family lived, 'yids out' was their clarion call. In the late 60's/early 70's the chant of 'yiddo' started being heard in football grounds around the country. Including White Hart Lane by Spurs supporters. There was no 'reclaiming' going on there. It was used as an insult to opposing teams and supporters. Another way of saying scum. And I know this to be true because I was there. I remember how confused and hurt I felt as a kid hearing my own 'friends' use the religion I happened to be born into a base insult. This was the first time I stopped going to games because of hate chants. The second was many years later after Sol Campbell (who had been a great, great player for Spurs) was made the target of some truly vile abuse. Again from Spurs fans. I had my young son with me that day and decided there and then that was my lot. It's just not something I want my children to experience or suffer. At some point in more recent history Spurs fans decided to flip it. Make the negative into a positive as it were. Woo****inghoo. Just like when black guys use the N word. Well actually not quite like that because in this case those doing the rebranding weren't even Jewish. So thanks for that guys but please don't do me any more favours. Reclamation achieves little or nothing. When you hear a racist/homophobe/anti-semite spit out hate words today they sound just as loaded and vile as they ever did. As they should. Because they are words of abuse, imbued with a history of ignorance, intolerance, violence and death. If you're against that kinda thing - as I'm hoping most of you are - the only cool thing to do is not use them.

....or maybe his mum was just being a bit oversensitive.

 

[bluejock]

So some Jews are offended by it, some aren't.

Some non Jews reckon it's offensive, some don't.

Can't see there ever being a clear resolution to the argument.

 

[steken1]

The only logical solution is to kick Spurs out of the league and return the 146 centre mids they've bought to their rightful clubs.

 

[Clint Planet]

So some Jews are offended by it, some aren't.

Some non Jews reckon it's offensive, some don't.

Can't see there ever being a clear resolution to the argument.

I really don't think non-Jewish pronouncements on its offensiveness are at all relevant.

I'll just quote Geoff Deane again:

Yid is not a Jewish word used by Jews. It's a word that in my and my parent's lifetime was only ever used in hate. My mum (89) will still quiver when she hears it. Imagine saying the N word to an old black lady. That's the reaction you'll get from my mum. When the fascist blackshirts marched through east london where my family lived, 'yids out' was their clarion call.

That'll do for me. Like I've said, it's not difficult to stop using it. I would think a lot more of the Spuds fans if they did stop using it, in fact.

 

[bluejock]

I really don't think non-Jewish pronouncements on its offensiveness are at all relevant.

I'll just quote Geoff Deane again:



That'll do for me. Like I've said, it's not difficult to stop using it. I would think a lot more of the Spuds fans if they did stop using it, in fact.

Out of interest, are you Jewish yourself? If so then fair enough, but if not, surely the rest of your post and opinion is rendered as irrelevant as mine?

What about the Jewish Spurs fans that don't find it? Do you think less of them for using it? Would you think more of them if they had to stop using a term because a non Jewish person somewhere has deemed it offensive?

Reading that back, it sounds quite confrontational, but it's really not meant to be. Just interested on your feelings on what I've said but couldn't find a better way to phrase it!

 

[Elong]

The Hibbert Agenda has said earlier he's Jewish and not arsed.

 

[Bungle]

#Justice4Foreskins

 

[steken1]

A group of jewish men have started foreskins 4 justice. To protest they roll down buildings instead of climbing up them

 

[Bungle]

I assume most Jews are circumsised when they hear the words 20% off, instincts tell them it's a bargain, little do they know until it's to late.

 

[Moomin]

We should get our Spurs cousins to adopt the word " Lid "

LID ARMY!!!!!