Everton's underachievement since 1995 and our ambitions for the future

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After crashing out of the cup in the 3rd round to confirm our 22nd trophyless season since 1995, I had a look at how other clubs had done in the cup competitions compared to us. I had a look at how many major finals each team had been in which includes the FA Cup, League Cup and any major European Competition (CL, UEFA Cup/Europa League and the ECWC). This is the list:

10+ - Chelsea (16), Man United (14), Liverpool (13), Arsenal (11)
5 - Middlesbrough and Tottenham
4 - Aston Villa and Man City
3 - Leicester
2 - Birmingham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Portsmouth, Wigan
1 - Blackburn, Bolton, Bradford, Crystal Palace, Everton, Fulham, Hull, Leeds, Millwall, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, Swansea, Tranmere, West Ham

It's an eye opener to see just how poor we've done in both the league and the cups. I appreciate that getting to a final is not success, but to see some of the sides ahead/level with us on that list is embarrassing. Boro's 5 finals is a shock, but to be behind the likes of Cardiff, Portsmouth and Wigan in final appearances with the latter 2 having both won the FA Cup in that time, highlights just how much we've underachieved.

Something our fans often complain about is how we get overlooked in the media. Even ignoring our mediocre league finishes for the vast majority of those 22 seasons, it's not surprising that media stations and other fans talk us down and ridicule us. This shows how far we've fallen behind the other big clubs in the league, especially the Sky 4 who all have 10+ final appearances, with European Finals included in that. I am interested to know if people think we can change this under Moshiri and what people expect to see from Everton in the next 5-10 years?

Personally, I expect (hope):

This season: Pull away from the sides around us and finish 7th quite comfortably
1-3: Get to another cup final, fight it out for 4th-6th, regulars in Europe
3-10: Move stadium, win at least 1 domestic trophy, genuinely challenge for the top 4.

At this stage, I think it would be wishful thinking to suggest we can start winning titles with 6 clubs having bigger resources than us, but I see no reason why longer term we can't challenge for a top 4 finish consistently and end our trophy drought.
 

Which two finals have Portsmouth and Wigan attended that I have forgotten?

Not sure about Cardiff, Boro and Newcastle either - or I might have gotten your system the wrong way.
 

AndyGray said:
Which two finals have Portsmouth and Wigan attended that I have forgotten?

Not sure about Cardiff, Boro and Newcastle either - or I might have gotten your system the wrong way.
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Surprisingly Boro got to an FA Cup Final and League Cup Final in 97, and the following year they got to the League Cup Final in 98. Won the League Cup in 04 and were in the UEFA Cup Final in 06.

Cardiff lost to Portsmouth in the 08 FA Cup Final and the RS in the 2012 LC Final.
 
EFC78 said:
Surprisingly Boro got to an FA Cup Final and League Cup Final in 97, and the following year they got to the League Cup Final in 98. Won the League Cup in 04 and were in the UEFA Cup Final in 06.

Cardiff lost to Portsmouth in the 08 FA Cup Final and the RS in the 2012 LC Final.
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Thanks, mate
 

EFC78 said:
After crashing out of the cup in the 3rd round to confirm our 22nd trophyless season since 1995, I had a look at how other clubs had done in the cup competitions compared to us. I had a look at how many major finals each team had been in which includes the FA Cup, League Cup and any major European Competition (CL, UEFA Cup/Europa League and the ECWC). This is the list:

10+ - Chelsea (16), Man United (14), Liverpool (13), Arsenal (11)
5 - Middlesbrough and Tottenham
4 - Aston Villa and Man City
3 - Leicester
2 - Birmingham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Portsmouth, Wigan
1 - Blackburn, Bolton, Bradford, Crystal Palace, Everton, Fulham, Hull, Leeds, Millwall, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, Swansea, Tranmere, West Ham

It's an eye opener to see just how poor we've done in both the league and the cups. I appreciate that getting to a final is not success, but to see some of the sides ahead/level with us on that list is embarrassing. Boro's 5 finals is a shock, but to be behind the likes of Cardiff, Portsmouth and Wigan in final appearances with the latter 2 having both won the FA Cup in that time, highlights just how much we've underachieved.

Something our fans often complain about is how we get overlooked in the media. Even ignoring our mediocre league finishes for the vast majority of those 22 seasons, it's not surprising that media stations and other fans talk us down and ridicule us. This shows how far we've fallen behind the other big clubs in the league, especially the Sky 4 who all have 10+ final appearances, with European Finals included in that. I am interested to know if people think we can change this under Moshiri and what people expect to see from Everton in the next 5-10 years?

Personally, I expect (hope):

This season: Pull away from the sides around us and finish 7th quite comfortably
1-3: Get to another cup final, fight it out for 4th-6th, regulars in Europe
3-10: Move stadium, win at least 1 domestic trophy, genuinely challenge for the top 4.

At this stage, I think it would be wishful thinking to suggest we can start winning titles with 6 clubs having bigger resources than us, but I see no reason why longer term we can't challenge for a top 4 finish consistently and end our trophy drought.
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What makes them statistics even worse is many of those clubs haven't spent much time in the top flight unlike us who have been there for the duration.As you wouldn't expect to win things as a lower division club its remarkable that so many clubs have risen from the lower reaches ( Wigan, Cardiff, Swsnsea, Leicester etc) and all outperformed us in a short space of time.
Right now Everton should be looked upon as a small club.
 
classof87 said:
What makes them statistics even worse is many of those clubs haven't spent much time in the top flight unlike us who have been there for the duration.As you wouldn't expect to win things as a lower division club its remarkable that so many clubs have risen from the lower reaches ( Wigan, Cardiff, Swsnsea, Leicester etc) and all outperformed us in a short space of time.
Right now Everton should be looked upon as a small club.
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I have a possible explanation to why we have done so badly, a lot of the so called lesser clubs have hungry players that are trying to better themselves and get to bigger clubs. Most players that come to us are unlikely to go onto a bigger club because they are that one step short.

So we get players that have reached probably the best they can do and from then on in they can coast.

Throw in the pressure of expectation that smaller clubs don't have to deal with and you can probably see why some have done better than us over the years.
 

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