Everton still in CL hunt?

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8 points behind Arsenal/LFC who are in 4th and 3rd respectively.

Just genuinely curious, do you guys think you can still catch a CL spot?



PS : As you should know, when i said 'you', you should know that i'm not an Everton fan. Yes im a Liverpool fan. But i hope to have a genuine, respectful debate with Everton fans.

Liverpool obviously have a far superior GD. The only way Everton is going to catch LFC is to be by above them in the points table.. or Arsenal.
 

Welcome mate, as long as you post respectfully we won't have a problem. We're still in with a shout, but that shout requires other teams (your lot or arsenal) to do poorly, and us to win the stretch of big games that we have at home. So I have faith that we can get there, but we need some things to go our way, and need some luck in the bigger games with refereeing decisions that we perhaps havent had in the past.
Can see Arsenal and Spurs selfdestructing, so I figure we can at least get 5th which is a decent result for a transitional season. Although my main aim for Everton is to beat our record points total which would show progression as a team and playing style under Martinez, which in turn should bring Europe, of whatever comp.
 
It's possible I guess. Our schedule is favourable, but we'll have to take all 3 points in the seven "easier" matches we have left on the schedule and get at least some points against Man U, Man City, and Arsenal. That would be a brilliant run, but it isn't likely.

I think we finish 5th though.
 

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8 points behind Arsenal/LFC who are in 4th and 3rd respectively.

Just genuinely curious, do you guys think you can still catch a CL spot?



PS : As you should know, when i said 'you', you should know that i'm not an Everton fan. Yes im a Liverpool fan. But i hope to have a genuine, respectful debate with Everton fans.

Liverpool obviously have a far superior GD. The only way Everton is going to catch LFC is to be by above them in the points table.. or Arsenal.
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CL isnt realistic atm. Europe is, thoug...
Lets see what happends today.
 
It's certainly possible mathematically and I do think both arsenal and Liverpool are going to drop a fair few points.

But unfortunately I think a long season is telling on us. We have tired players both physically and mentally and we will drop points too both in the big games and the lesser games.

Unless bobby un-leashes the likes of Barkley Delefoe and McGeady who in turn with a few others pick up some some breathtaking form it will probably be 6/7th for us.
 

I think we can rule out any possibility of Chelsea, City or Liverpool falling out of the top 4 - that leaves Arsenal. For Everton to overtake them - highly unlikely though it is - we need a calamitous failure by Arsenal and a tremendous finish by Everton.

I posited this yesterday -11 behind with 2 games in hand means, potentially, a gap of 5 points and 9 games - not insurmountable but improbable.

Firstly one needs to be realistic about what Everton might achieve.

6 home games (winnable) Cardiff (won), Palace, Swansea (and the difficult) United, City and a vital game against Arsenal. If we suppose Everton achieve 4 wins and 2 draws - including a win over Arsenal - that's 14 points.

5 away games (all potentially winnable) - Saints, Sunderland, Newcastle, Fulham and Hull. If we achieve a realistic 11 points say - that's a total of 25 points from 11 games (now, after yesterday, 22 from 10). Everton to finish on 73 points.

Now can Arsenal (currently 28-59 GD +12 greater than Everton's present total) be held to 13 or 14 points in their remaining 10 games (which would be 9 assuming they lose to Everton). Well obviously they can but realistically?

Well the good news - potentially - for Everton is that Arsenal have 4 tough games in their next 5 - Spurs away, Chelsea away, City home and Everton away (as well as Swansea home).

If we allow them just 4 points from those games.. a win over Swansea and a draw against one of the other 3 top sides (we must assume they lose to Everton) this leaves them with the task (and Everton closing in on them) of requiring something like 10 points from the remaining 5 games. Whilst none of those games looks overly difficult (West Ham, Newcastle, West Brom home, Norwich, Hull away) clearly they would be in poor form so it is, unlikely but just, possible. Would definitely make for a great end of the season for us..(or maybe Spurs or United heaven help us!).
 
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I honestly think arsenal will be fine and take third, Liverpool I see falling, I really do... It seems a given by some that they will dispatch the big teams at anfield?

The reason they have a good anfield record is they'v barely played anyone there and this counter attack football home or away will be sussed out and tactically planned for. They could potentially lose 4 games yet this season.

What result do we want today???
Liverpool? Utd?? Draw??
I'm lost! Ha..
 
No way will we finish 4th, it would require the meltdown of an unrealistic number of clubs above us.

For what it's worth I don't believe your lot will win the title either. Chelsea and City will battle it out for the automatic CL spots. Third for you, sixth for us I reckon.
 

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