Everton Hoofball Club?

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SaffaBlue

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Well, there is now another disappointment to put behind us after an all round shoddy Stoke game. However, we are toffees, and as is custom, we have a small whine and move on!

Part of our whine includes picking over the bones of another would have, should have, could have game, to try and bring to light the reasons why we lost.

Although there are many reasons why we lost today, I don't believe we deserved a win to be fair. No matter whether the ref was blind or not.

I am here however, to give my analysis of something that has been bugging me for a while.I think it could surprise some of you as it took me by surprise. (that's what she said)

Recently there has been a lot of whining about the amount of long balls that we play, and I was a part of that. For those of you that read my 'Why?!' thread, I couldn't help but have a little moan about the hoofball and the defence not knowing that the mids exist.

Now feel free to have a go at me for wasting a dire half of football, but I sat there for the first half, marking off whether or not the players were hoofing the ball. I must admit that my data is only valid for one half, as the second half I was fuming at both Moyes and the ref too much to care about my side project.

Although numbers such as these may only appeal to the Americans on here, it is my belief that the numbers don't lie. To prove that this moaning on GOT is fair, I invite you to read the numbers.

The end results were as such;

Balls played from a defender, to a midfielder or striker, whether the pass/hoof was completed or not saw the following players having the following percentages of play:

Baines - Responsible for 42% of the service out of defence
Heitinga - Responsible for 13% of the service out of defence
Jagielka - Responsible for 17% of the service out of defence
Hibbo - Responsible for 28% of the service out of defence

Of these balls played out of defence, the players hoofed the ball

Baines - 10.5% of the time
Heitinga -16.6 % of the time
Jagielka - 50% of the time (JEZUZ!)
Hibbo - 25 % of the time

If we then decided to use a weighted average system, using the percentage of service out of defence as the weightings against the hoof ratio;

Baines - 0.42 x 10.5 = 4.41
Heitinga - .13 x 16.6 = 2.158
Jagielka - .17 x 50 = 8.5
Hibbo - .28 x 25 = 7

Therefore as a collective team, we hoof the ball 4.41 + 2.158 + 8.5 + 7 = 22.068

Therefore, as a defensive unit, we hoofed the ball 22.068 percent of the time.

More than 1 in every 5 balls is smashed upfield. But is that really so bad?

YES it is that bad, as these numbers to not include clearances, these numbers are based on balls that were whacked up, when the defense was under no pressure.

The numbers also do not include crosses into the box (wtf was heitinga trying to achieve there anyway?)

What is your oppinion?
 

I think if you're getting rid of players like Arteta and Pienaar you'll get hoofball...but if you are going to go hoofball then you might as well retain a player like Beckford who can chase stuff down.
 
I think if you're getting rid of players like Arteta and Pienaar you'll get hoofball...but if you are going to go hoofball then you might as well retain a player like Beckford who can chase stuff down.

Disagree. You don't need an Arteta or a Pienaar to play the ball on the ground out of defence.
 
Great stats, I tried doing this 5 seasons ago but end up giving up 5 minutes into the game. Too tedious task for a live match, I can help you with your stats in future game if you're interested. Just drop me a pm mate.
 

Disagree. You don't need an Arteta or a Pienaar to play the ball on the ground out of defence.

Perhaps not. But you dont help the cause by flogging them. The rest of the squad see the two most comfortable players in possession of the ball leave the club and that places a lot of pressure on them to carry it. When the scoreline is a bad one the tendency is to get the crowd off your back and look long rather than pick a pass.
 
the stuff we play is a disgrace to hoofball its more of a sideways crab football with a little slow hoofball thrown in, brough back the days of rod belfitt today, we deserved what we got nothing
 
Well done mate, I like little projects like this myself.

It's a good start, that information would be really interesting if there were other sets to compare it to, like other games we've played, or the numbers that other teams produce. I wonder what Arsenal would score on that.

Give us some more info on your methods so it can be done again!
 
the stuff we play is a disgrace to hoofball its more of a sideways crab football with a little slow hoofball thrown in, brough back the days of rod belfitt today, we deserved what we got nothing

We just pass side ways and backwards until we

A. hit a long ball to cahill/Saha
B. get it to Baines to cross
C. lose the ball
 

sad thing about is we dont look like we can play any other way

I think whilst Moyes is in charge this is how we will play our football

Sad really when you have Barkley on the bench who in the first few games was a shining light and could have the skill to unlock a defence but instead is left to warm the bench
 
I think whilst Moyes is in charge this is how we will play our football

Sad really when you have Barkley on the bench who in the first few games was a shining light and could have the skill to unlock a defence but instead is left to warm the bench
I think this is definately it, we don't take risks and don't get men in the box enough, this is down to Moyes's management, no question
 
I think as frustrating as today is, it shows how dreadful we need technical players, only Felliani looked the part today. Everton can [Poor language removed] as far as I'm concerned, a tragedy of a performance worthy of a refund.
 
I think whilst Moyes is in charge this is how we will play our football

Sad really when you have Barkley on the bench who in the first few games was a shining light and could have the skill to unlock a defence but instead is left to warm the bench
moyes has been found out was last season ,teams know what we are about and set up to counter us we are a one trick pony of a team,we need either fresh players or a fresh manager neither of which we are likely to get anytime soon.
 

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