Everton article on espn soccernet

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I don't mind 3 at the back as a plan b, but will fume if he changes us from a back 4 at the moment. There's a reason no one else in the PL plays 3 at the back.
 
With 4 a the back we looked very rigid and a bit wooden today.

If anything, we look more vulnerable that way today, Rhodes almost got in behind s a couple of times.
 
very strange article. so its essential we incorporate Alcacraz, Osman and Pienaar but not Fellaini or Barkley. the advantage of Alcaraz is that he is a player more suited to carrying the ball out of defence than most centre backs, but as the article says we have two centre backs who have pace and can cover if our full backs move forward. this is the crucial part of his preferred system and not the compulsory playing of three centre backs. we have Gibson and Fellaini who can both drop deep and cover across the park which should allow freedom for Baines, Coleman and Mirallas as well as an extra attacking option in Barkley. I suspect if he brings a third centre half in then it is more likely at the expense of an attacking midfielder. Is any decent manager so stuck on a system that he looks at like for like players as the article suggested. I think he has already worked out who his key players are and how adaptable they are to a change in tactics during a game. something he is keen to do when needed and will continue to do by using his best players not clones of players he has used in the past. a strange article that may have a hidden agenda
 

throughthewindandthedrain said:
very strange article. so its essential we incorporate Alcacraz, Osman and Pienaar but not Fellaini or Barkley. the advantage of Alcaraz is that he is a player more suited to carrying the ball out of defence than most centre backs, but as the article says we have two centre backs who have pace and can cover if our full backs move forward. this is the crucial part of his preferred system and not the compulsory playing of three centre backs. we have Gibson and Fellaini who can both drop deep and cover across the park which should allow freedom for Baines, Coleman and Mirallas as well as an extra attacking option in Barkley. I suspect if he brings a third centre half in then it is more likely at the expense of an attacking midfielder. Is any decent manager so stuck on a system that he looks at like for like players as the article suggested. I think he has already worked out who his key players are and how adaptable they are to a change in tactics during a game. something he is keen to do when needed and will continue to do by using his best players not clones of players he has used in the past. a strange article that may have a hidden agenda
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The sale of Fellaini is taken for granted By most, doesn't need much of a push in the media.
 
davek said:
The sale of Fellaini is taken for granted By most, doesn't need much of a push in the media.
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strange way of pushing it though to suggest that we can move on from the sale of one of our two best players because there are other players who resemble or are the same as some of the players he had at Wigan. bit of 'know your place' going on I thought. surprised he didn't choose to say Naismith was similar to someone on the right to make room for selling Mirallas
 
throughthewindandthedrain said:
very strange article. so its essential we incorporate Alcacraz, Osman and Pienaar but not Fellaini or Barkley. the advantage of Alcaraz is that he is a player more suited to carrying the ball out of defence than most centre backs, but as the article says we have two centre backs who have pace and can cover if our full backs move forward. this is the crucial part of his preferred system and not the compulsory playing of three centre backs. we have Gibson and Fellaini who can both drop deep and cover across the park which should allow freedom for Baines, Coleman and Mirallas as well as an extra attacking option in Barkley. I suspect if he brings a third centre half in then it is more likely at the expense of an attacking midfielder. Is any decent manager so stuck on a system that he looks at like for like players as the article suggested. I think he has already worked out who his key players are and how adaptable they are to a change in tactics during a game. something he is keen to do when needed and will continue to do by using his best players not clones of players he has used in the past. a strange article that may have a hidden agenda
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I dont read a hidden agenda - just stating IF something happened to Fellaini how Everton might take shape. There is certainly enough speculation about Fellaini that it is a point to ponder and I am sure something RM has pondered as well.. I think the article actually speaks highly of the talent that he has available. If someone was to make way at the anchor of the central midfield in a tactical 3-4-2-1 it is Osman (either at the start or Mid Match tactical adjustment). Fellaini drops along side Gibson in his preferred midfield role. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit more Barkley in one of the attacking positions of the 2 (for Pinnear maybe) or if a 4-4-1-1 as the deeper lying forward with the ability to attack off the Dribble. The biggest thing for me is I am excited to see Everton play in the new system and a manager willing to make an adjustment before 60 minutes if the game requires it. I expect to give up a few more goals this season but I expect to score more as well. I for one am excited as I have been for the start of the Season... COYB!
 
throughthewindandthedrain said:
strange way of pushing it though to suggest that we can move on from the sale of one of our two best players because there are other players who resemble or are the same as some of the players he had at Wigan. bit of 'know your place' going on I thought. surprised he didn't choose to say Naismith was similar to someone on the right to make room for selling Mirallas
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I reckon that Martinez, given circumstances, would prefer to have Fellaini sold if it meant he could get McCarthy in and maybe add another attacker. He might well be seen as a square peg for a round hole.

Regardless, I think we're defo seeing the last few games of Fellaini's Everton career.
 

davek said:
I reckon that Martinez, given circumstances, would prefer to have Fellaini sold if it meant he could get McCarthy in and maybe add another attacker. He might well be seen as a square peg for a round hole.

Regardless, I think we're defo seeing the last few games of Fellaini's Everton career.
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spot on Dave
 
Never liked 3 at the back... but ... in a world where everyone plays with 1 striker, it makes more sense.

Think about it.

We know that 4-5-1 (and variations 4-4-1-1, 4-2-3-1 etc) beats 4-4-2 most of the time. But what beats 4-5-1? The answer could be 3 at the back... You don't need a flat back four if against only one striker.

Maybe its like paper scissors stone. 4-5-1 beats 4-4-2. Three at the back beats 4-5-1. And good old 4-4-2 beats 3 at the back.
 
The author obviosly knows a fair bit about Martinez and our squad, more than the avg Espn journo. Strange that given that knowledge, his conclusions ended up in such a strange spot... Namely that Fellaini is the odd man out, and Barkley not even mentioned.
 
I think the 3 at the back could work when teams are sat deep parking the bus. 2nd half we seemed to have twice as many players all sat in the middle of the park, hovering between there 18yrd box and half way line. Purely just trying to thread balls through to break them down. It was almost barca like, going from side to side, short passing just waiting for that chance to play in a striker or release a wing back. In that tho....Fellaini is a little bit the odd man out.
....................Howard......................
..........Jags.....Alcaraz.....Distin.........
.....................................................
...Coleman.......Gibson.........Baines...
...............Osman.....Pienaar............
...................Mirallas......................
..........................Jelavic.................

That's how the posistions basicaly set up second half, Gibson plays a deep lying playmaker role as apposed to DCM which the formation may suggest. It does enable you to litterally swarm all over there 18yrd box with multiple options and players trying to make things happen! As you can see, there's not really a dedicated Fellaini posistion in that formation tho. If it becomes a plan b, we initially could see the big fella subbed off a few times! Although he's still very important in the more natural 4-2-3-1. I honestly think RM may be secretly hoping to cash in on the big fella.
 
we have three at the back but we really still have 5 defenders on when it comes to the defensive side of it. This 4.4.1.1 under Moyes was good for us but we weren't winning enough games or even be able to beat the big teams, this new formation under Martinez might give us that extra. But not many teams are using 3 at the back in this league for some reason, not even Wenger.
 

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