England players as Managers

roydo · May 12, 2015

Probably been discussed before, but couldnt find one.

Prompted by the Liverpool/Gerrard thread. I posted this, so discuss.

roydo said:
No idea. But the track record of good footballers becoming good managers is a pretty short one. In England anyrate.

Best ex England captain as a manager? Keegan maybe?

Best ex England player as a manager? Reid is a decent call I guess.

Other than going back into the mists of time.

Whistlin' Dixie · May 12, 2015

Best ex England player as a manager?

I'd go for Joe Mercer....I know it's a while ago.

Or Bobby Robson....Still a while ago.

If only Howard Kendall had qualified for either........

Allezfan · May 12, 2015

Alf Ramsey was both england captain and manager, he'd my choice.

ToffeeDoug · May 12, 2015

Alf Ramsey perhaps?

roydo · May 12, 2015

Yeah, I wasnt 100% sure if Ramsey had played for England, hence my rider about mists of time.

It was more a reflection of the current view that Gerrard will be at Liverpool as boss one day, and it seemed a decent wider point of discussion without clogging up the Liverpool thread.

@Eggs mentioned Jack Charlton, which has legs certainly.

Nashtbs · May 12, 2015

Alan Shearer. Took the barcodes down, loved him as their manager.

Allezfan · May 12, 2015

roydo said:
Yeah, I wasnt 100% sure if Ramsey had played for England, hence my rider about mists of time.

It was more a reflection of the current view that Gerrard will be at Liverpool as boss one day, and it seemed a decent wider point of discussion without clogging up the Liverpool thread.

@Eggs mentioned Jack Charlton, which has legs certainly.

There's not many english managers these days, though. Wilkinson ebing the last englishman to even win the league.

But most of the top ones back in the day were capped as players. Robson, Ramsey, Revie, Nicholson, Mercer etc.

Even the ones who weren't, paisley, clough, kendall et al were generally quite good as players. Kendall and Clough in particular were very close to being capped.

Whistlin' Dixie · May 12, 2015

Allezfan said:
Alf Ramsey was both england captain and manager, he'd my choice.

Sorry Alf - completely forgot he'd played for England as well.......

But I liked Joe Mercer. Malcolm Allison leeched his career from Joe.

roydo · May 12, 2015

Didnt Clough get one cap or something?

His scoring record was ridiculous.

roydo · May 12, 2015

Big Joe? Didnt do too shabbily did he?

Allezfan · May 12, 2015

roydo said:
Didnt Clough get one cap or something?

His scoring record was ridiculous.

2 according to wiki. Mea culpa there. I'd read his biography and I knew he felt he didn't get enough of a chance but I'd obviously misremebered 2 caps as 0.

roydo · May 12, 2015

Allezfan said:
2 according to wiki. Mea culpa there. I'd read his biography and I knew he felt he didn't get enough of a chance but I'd obviously misremebered 2 caps as 0.

Busting his knee at about 24 didnt help either.

I think we have a winner, in the modernish world anyrate.

Capped England player won the league twice, the EC twice, and about 50 League Cups as a manager.

Allezfan · May 12, 2015

roydo said:
Busting his knee at about 24 didnt help either.

I think we have a winner, in the modernish world anyrate.

Capped England player won the league twice, the EC twice, and about 50 League Cups as a manager.

Revie not up there, in your opinion then?

roydo · May 12, 2015

Allezfan said:
Revie not up there, in your opinion then?

Again mate, had no idea he played for England. He was ancient when I was a kid ffs!

Revie was no Clough, imo. A great manager, no doubt, but the whole England thing kind of muddied the pool for me I am afraid.