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England: No Popcorn Intended

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ilikecheese

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Honestly, I do not intend this thread as a wind up. Rather more of a Ingerlanders view on Ingerland's national team. As I'm sure you're aware, they haven't exactly performed as well as expected in recent decades in national competitions. What I don't get is why?

I look at Spain, Germany, and Italy and see that their national team's are littered with players playing on only a couple of squads...ie Bayern Munich for Germany. Could this be part of it? Familiarity?

Uruguay is a nation of 3.3 million...and they are the tits at a national level. To put that in perspective, Greater Manchester and Merseyside combine for over 4 million folks.

I'm American, so it would be easy to take shots at the USMNTNTNT...yes we suck...but we're getting better all the time. Football (the kind with your feet) was only born in 1992 in terms of this nation looking to be a world player. Our best athletes might one day choose to kick a ball around instead of dribbling it, hitting it, or throwing/catching/running with it.

Now...with that last statement, did I assume that the best English athletes choose football? Yes I did...and please correct me if I'm wrong. Rugby is huge, I know...but attendance doesn't really support that argument.

So...back to the original question...what gives with England's underwhelming success on a national level in football?

For me, the talent is there...or should be...the youth structure seems right...I'm asking, cause I really wanna know what you folks think.
 

The youth system for years has been totally wrong. For instance, 11-a-side dominates the game even at a very young age group. Kids at the age of ten are often taught to be a centre half or a striker instead of being taught how to be a technical footballer.

English players, for this reason, will always make a GREAT 'spine' of a team, but put 11 of them together on a pitch against decent opposition and, err, well you know what happens.
 
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mythbuster said:
The youth system for years has been totally wrong. For instance, 11-a-side dominates the game even at a very young age group. Kids at the age of ten are often taught to be a centre half or a striker instead of being taught how to be a technical footballer.

English players, for this reason, will always make a GREAT 'spine' of a team, but put 11 of them together on a pitch against decent opposition and, err, well you know what happens.
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When you say 'for years' are we talking since I joined GOT or since chico's mar lost her flower?
 

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Not sure mate. There's only a 9 month difference.
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OK...let me try to be a bit clearer with my question.

I joined GOT in 2009

Chico's mar lost her flower...I'll guess around 40 years ago.

To not lose focus on the topic at hand...when did the English youth system start training for a predetermined position rather than training footballing skill at a youth level?
 
ilikecheese said:
OK...let me try to be a bit clearer with my question.

I joined GOT in 2009

Chico's mar lost her flower...I'll guess around 40 years ago.

To not lose focus on the topic at hand...when did the English youth system start training for a predetermined position rather than training footballing skill at a youth level?
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Prior to Chico's ma getting her hymen broke.
 
mythbuster said:
The youth system for years has been totally wrong. For instance, 11-a-side dominates the game even at a very young age group. Kids at the age of ten are often taught to be a centre half or a striker instead of being taught how to be a technical footballer.

English players, for this reason, will always make a GREAT 'spine' of a team, but put 11 of them together on a pitch against decent opposition and, err, well you know what happens.
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Whats a "Very Young Age" ?

They don't play 11-a-side until they are U13's & haven't for quite some time.

5-a-side U7's & 8's

7-a-side U9's & 10's

9-a-side U11's & U12's

U13's onwards 11-a-side

Leave it any later and they won't know how to play 11-a-side until the year that they can make a debut in the Prem.
 
i tend to find youth football is based as much on strength and speed as it is technica ability with positions often determined by those two catagories
 

Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian said:
Whats a "Very Young Age" ?

They don't play 11-a-side until they are U13's & haven't for quite some time.

5-a-side U7's & 8's

7-a-side U9's & 10's

9-a-side U11's & U12's

U13's onwards 11-a-side

Leave it any later and they won't know how to play 11-a-side until the year that they can make a debut in the Prem.
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Err, under 13's mate. Although, I should add that I played in a school cup final when I was 11 at Marine. Got played on the wing, and I got a bit, err, 'lost?'

Absolute bollocks you're talking there mate. Not sure why you think the 'under 14's' would not be able to play in the prem if they haven't learnt to play 11-a-side.

Maybe you're a dinosaur? :P
 
We're bang average.

Can't it just be left there?

You say it's not a wind up but I feel it is.

You say Uruguay have a population of 3.3 million but are the tits. Well a) they're not and b) Scotland has a population of 5.3 million. So your logic doesn't work.

I've said England are average but in terms of world football they're actually way above average. Look at results. How often do they actually lose games? Hardly ever.

Performances are questionable for sure. But hey. We make it to most (not all) major tournaments and with where we currently are that'll pretty much do.

Take this World Cup. Nobody thinks we'll do well. Do well to get out of the group really. And despite what the media says that's pretty good. Even being there is good.

As an England fan, we're not stupid. We know we're not brilliant.

You say we haven't performed as expected.
No. We haven't performed as the media expected.
If you know anything about football we've performed exactly as expected.

I'll let @Allezfan take over now.
 
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Get at them lad!

Passion! Hard work!

Just [Poor language removed] boot it!

Run! Ruuuuuuuun!!

Channels, lad, channels!

Get Fancypants off!
 
@ijjysmith has taken the carefully laid bait and managed to bring Scotland into it on Page 1
@bluejock scented blood but is waiting for @EFCNIK to enter the fray before going for the jugglar.

Anyway, back to the original question. We're decent, no more, no less, like a mid-table team who do reasonably well but never excel. Hopefully the new breed of managers in the Premiership who are playing a slightly more continental style will bring on some home grown talent who can transfer that to the national team.

Plainly having Woy in charge might be an issue here when he sees all that talent and doesn't have a clue what to do with it but we'll deal with that when it happens, some time in 2016.
 

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