Don’t condemn the ‘I want it now generation.’

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They are the children of our own ideology.

Violence, rioting and looting cannot be excused but must be condemned, so goes the tired rhetoric on television, as if the people pointing to mitigating factors are doing anything other than providing a contextual framework for how these things come about. Other glib sound bites we hear in response to the inequalities that precipitated these riots are, “well how come if they are so poor, they all have phones and plasma screens?”

Perhaps because mobile phones are now so ubiquitous that they are practically given away free - even the blackberry (the weapon of choice for the urban terrorist) is not beyond the financial reach of a motivated teenager. Perhaps because goods made in china are artificially cheap in comparison with yesteryear. But this is beside the point and the point is the have’s and the have nots.

When we talk of a poverty divide, a plasma screen and a mobile phone is neither here nor there when you can’t afford a flat of your own, or a car or even to take a girl on a date.

Nobody suggests these things should come to them without hard work, but the lack of opportunities for an emerging generation is staggering. Where are the industries, the foundations, the apprenticeships? Where are the jobs? In hackney there are 24 unemployed people to every available job.

And what kind of jobs are we talking about? Minimum wage, low satisfaction, increasingly part time work, with no maternity leave or holiday pay. Jobs with little possibility of promotion or raises and a take home wage packet that barely surfaces above the equivalent money in benefits.

So is it the welfare system to blame? Nobody doubts that generations of unemployment lead to criminality, low self esteem and the worst of the ills that blight the nation. Yet a functioning welfare system also protects the needy, vulnerable and ensures social cohesion. Despite the right wing demonization of the unemployed as evidenced by the ludicrous benefit stories we see in the daily mail, job seekers allowance is a mere £35 a week for an eighteen year old. To put that into context, in London a cinema ticket costs about £15. This is presuming a teenager is still living at home, which is fairly likely considering a one bedroom flat in Hackney costs between 200k and 400k. Rents are £200 a week plus. The minimum wage for 18 - 20 year olds is £4.92. It’s £2.50 on an apprenticeship. Of course housing benefit would provide some help but on these rates teenagers would find it hard to find a deposit and 8 weeks rent in advance. Living at home is the only option.

Increasingly these benefits are being cut (especially housing benefits) or becoming difficult to claim as the government exerts pressure on the job centres of England to reduce the amount of benefit claimants.

Education offers little financial respite with students now facing debts of £30000 after they graduate and little in the way of job security in return for their investment.

These are teenagers with no career paths, no regular income, no parental guidance and nothing to do but watch a television that indoctrinates them into materialism and instant gratification. Combine this with the technological opportunities of social networking, dissatisfaction, anger with the police and opportunism and there is your riot.

Blame them for the lootings, muggings and associated violence but the environmental conditions that brought them about are the faults of an older generation. They are not responsible for the economic climate we find ourselves in. Those are the sins of their mothers and fathers.

So when we hypocritically shout for personal responsibility from them perhaps we should look towards the liable generation that provided them with this surfeit of opportunities.

It was another generation that filled their ears and eyes with greed, that pushed a marketed world of material goods and then saturated their environment with adverts.

It was another generation’s media that fashioned the mythologies of television; of luxury, stardom, fame and talent awaiting every aspiration boy and girl.

It was another generation that saw the political spectrum narrow to almost exclusively the right wing under the nefarious influences of lobbyists, corporate powers, plutocrats and media barons - so that the young, the poor and the socially occluded have practically zero representation.

It was another generation of MP’s that proved themselves to be fiddling their expenses, committing fraud at the taxpayers expense. Enganged in criminality in the argot of Cameron and his ilk.

It was another generation that failed to bring them up correctly, that didn’t teach them moral lessons of right and wrong.

It was another generation that stole so much from one strata of society and left the others with little to nothing.

It was another generation that allowed corporations to take over the landscape of England, consigning small business that kept their money within the local community to the scrap heap whilst they dodged paying their own taxes.

It was another generation that let someone like Rupert Murdoch wield immense political power and operate immorally all the while keeping the prime ministers ear and consigning those below the poverty line to further misery.

It was another generation that got into credit and precipitated the financial reckless and plutocratic landgrab that caused the banking bailout and an almost inevitable double dip recession and world wide depression.

The youth involved in the riots should take responsibility for their actions by all means. But first, to set a good example, perhaps we should take responsibility for ours.

When we hold this generation to a moral compass that has been publicly absent from industry, corporate behaviour, the media, our political system and MP’s and our own generation then we are merely exaggerating the hypocrisy of our words and actions. Within the toxic environment of absent parents, gratuitous inequality and mediated realities that teach luxury, fame and materialism as birthrights - violent confrontation isn’t deplorable, it’s inevitable.
 
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What a crock of crap.

I have no job so its ok for me to take away somebody elses business, somebody who worked hard all their life instead of walking around with their hands down their pants.
 
What a crock of crap.

I have no job so its ok for me to take away somebody elses business, somebody who worked hard all their life instead of walking around with their hands down their pants.

It's like talking to Noam Chomsky

I didn't say it was ok to burn small businesses or engage in violence. Hence - the people pointing to mitigating factors are doing anything other than providing a contextual framework for how these things come about
 
I don't condone the recent criminal behaviour we've seen, but I can understand their causes. There's a building feeling that our Young have been neglected and are paying for the cushty life of the baby boomers. The young have been hung out to dry by the atrocious policies of the last Labour government, and I can understand the resentment that it has caused. The gap between the haves and the have nots is now a generational gap now as much as anything.

BBC touches on this with Alvin Hall's series - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012w4h2

Poorer Than Their Parents

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14294021:

"Let's take my own house [which] I bought 16 years ago for £160,000. It's in south-east London. It's now worth about £1.15m.

"So I've gained a million pound windfall to which I do not feel entitled, and that windfall, at the moment, is tax-free. Were I to sell [the house], there's no tax on that gain."

"It may appear very lucky for me, but the reality is when I sell, it will probably be to a younger person who'll be getting a mortgage and spending most of their working life paying off that windfall which went to me. I don't think that's fair."
 
I don't condone the recent criminal behaviour we've seen, but I can understand their causes. There's a building feeling that our Young have been neglected and are paying for the cushty life of the baby boomers. The young have been hung out to dry by the atrocious policies of the last Labour government, and I can understand the resentment that it has caused. The gap between the haves and the have nots is now a generational gap now as much as anything.

BBC touches on this with Alvin Hall's series - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012w4h2

Poorer Than Their Parents

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14294021:

"Let's take my own house [which] I bought 16 years ago for £160,000. It's in south-east London. It's now worth about £1.15m.

"So I've gained a million pound windfall to which I do not feel entitled, and that windfall, at the moment, is tax-free. Were I to sell [the house], there's no tax on that gain."

"It may appear very lucky for me, but the reality is when I sell, it will probably be to a younger person who'll be getting a mortgage and spending most of their working life paying off that windfall which went to me. I don't think that's fair."

The blame politically starts with Thatcher and continues to the present day. Labour were massively involved, but for most people, Labour became a right wing party when it courted the corporations and became New Labour. Privatisation, housing price bubbles, cushy deals with the city, the bank bail outs. All Labour's fault - the tory sister party.
 

for most people, Labour became a right wing party when it courted the corporations and became New Labour. Privatisation, housing price bubbles, cushy deals with the city, the bank bail outs. All Labour's fault - the tory sister party.

Works well though, gives the impression that you're voting for something different every 10 years or so.
 
With respect mate, I started work at 15 when there wasn't a minimum wage and at 16 you couldn't hope of being paid a minimum anything. There was no EMA or anything approaching it and what you worked hard for everything you had. This is something I have continued that I have continued to do throughout my life and something I have taught my kids. It's always been hard being young and looking for work. I understand the reasons, I just believe those reasons are not anywhere near good enough.
 
With respect mate, I started work at 15 when there wasn't a minimum wage and at 16 you couldn't hope of being paid a minimum anything. There was no EMA or anything approaching it and what you worked hard for everything you had. This is something I have continued that I have continued to do throughout my life and something I have taught my kids. It's always been hard being young and looking for work. I understand the reasons, I just believe those reasons are not anywhere near good enough.

I got paid £70 a week in my first full time job, and yes there was no minimum wage then. Not arguing against the minimum wage, it should be higher. I also remember that it cost a couple of quid to go the cinema back then. And a pint was under a pound - not four as it is in many places in London.

Maybe the reasons aren't good enough, but they think they are. What can we do about it?

Provide more opportunities. Aim for a fairer more equitable society. And I'd suggest a moratorium on marketing/advertising aimed at under 18's. Notice the main targets - mobile phone shops, televisions, tescos, foot lockers - as if Orange, Nokia, Apple, Sony, Panasonic, LG, Tescos, Adidas and Nike had been brainwashing them to consume from the minute they opened their eyes.
 

That is a very interesting and well thought out article, I don't necessarily agree with what you have to say but I have to agree that you have stated your case very eloquently and that in itself deserves commendation

From this and other posts you seem to have a particular bone to pick with corporations and our governments involvements with them.

Is it just the barely legal tax loop holes they exploit to their advantage or something else.

I'm not saying its right that these massive organisations have so much control its just that its how the world works at the moment. The UK alone is not responsible for allowing this to happen every major nation on the planet has at one point or another benefited from the gains of its native corporations.
 
I got paid £70 a week in my first full time job, and yes there was no minimum wage then. Not arguing against the minimum wage, it should be higher. I also remember that it cost a couple of quid to go the cinema back then. And a pint was under a pound - not four as it is in many places in London.

Maybe the reasons aren't good enough, but they think they are. What can we do about it?

Provide more opportunities. Aim for a fairer more equitable society. And I'd suggest a moratorium on marketing/advertising aimed at under 18's. Notice the main targets - mobile phone shops, televisions, tescos, foot lockers - as if Orange, Nokia, Apple, Sony, Panasonic, LG, Tescos, Adidas and Nike had been brainwashing them to consume from the minute they opened their eyes.


Give them a sense of perspective as many young people seem to have? I wouldn't argue with your point about advertising that is for certain. I would also regulate those stupid Bright House and payday loans things as well.
 
No time right now to provide a more reasoned response, but the rent figures are a bit off. My gf is currently paying around £400 a month to live in Elephant. No palace certainly but not a dive either. The £200 a week figure you mention would be more than enough to get a 1 bedroom place of your own. Sharing a place with others is waaaaaay cheaper, and is something I dare say the majority of young people in London do.

Talking to the lady yesterday, she was talking about the looming threat of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes and so on to the healthcare system. Most of those things are down to **** poor lifestyle choices, not money. It costs more to drink than it does to not, heck, it costs a damn site more to drink 10 pints than it does 1 or 2. Smoking likewise. A chocolate bar costs more than a banana. A ready meal costs more than an entire chicken, which could provide several meals. A bottle of Coke costs more than 2 pints of milk. Sitting on your arse watching Sky costs more than a jog around the local park. Driving a car costs more than riding a bicycle or walking. The list is almost endless.

Poverty can be used so far as an excuse for the mess people are in, but poor choices are a much bigger blight on society. The reality is that a tiny minority of healthcare cases are those people suffering through misfortune. By far the biggest cause is poor lifestyle choices.

Why do we need to own a house in this country? Germans, and indeed many in mainland Europe, much prefer to rent than buy. In a fluid labour market why would you want to be tied down to an area by a property? You don't need to own a property to have a decent life.

Likewise with education. So tuition fees are 27k a year. If you don't think that represents good value, don't go to university. Get membership of your local library and get an education for free. Universities from around the world open up their materials for free online now. You can watch most Stanford lectures online for instance for free. If you really want to learn and educate yourself, there have never been more opportunities to do so for nothing. If you want a piece of paper saying you're smart, you can do courses provided by the many professional bodies. They're often considerably cheaper than a degree.

To blame society is a cop out when through our taxation system every single child in this country is gifted around 9,000 hours of free schooling in their lifetime. 9,000 hours and that's without any of the great free ways of learning I mentioned earlier. If kids leave school knowing diddly squat it sure as heck isn't because of a lack of opportunities for them!

Options exist if you want to pursue them, and they're a damned site better set of options than causing chaos in your local neighbourhood. As you rightly say, competition for employment is tough, no one ever said life is easy, and you could argue that it's tougher now than ever before because of the competition for jobs from overseas. Does that mean you should be entitled to a job? Does that mean you're owed one? Or does that mean you just have to roll your bloody sleeves up and work harder so that you offer employers a better prospect than your competition?

You get out of life what you put into it, and a bit less whining and more doing would serve these kids much better than stealing and setting fire to things!

Oh, and with regards to advertising, FFS some willpower please! I probably walk or cycle past 20 fast food joints on the way to work every morning, yet haven't had a burger for years. It aint that blooming difficult.
 
No time right now to provide a more reasoned response, but the rent figures are a bit off. My gf is currently paying around £400 a month to live in Elephant. No palace certainly but not a dive either. The £200 a week figure you mention would be more than enough to get a 1 bedroom place of your own. Sharing a place with others is waaaaaay cheaper, and is something I dare say the majority of young people in London do.

Talking to the lady yesterday, she was talking about the looming threat of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes and so on to the healthcare system. Most of those things are down to **** poor lifestyle choices, not money. It costs more to drink than it does to not, heck, it costs a damn site more to drink 10 pints than it does 1 or 2. Smoking likewise. A chocolate bar costs more than a banana. A ready meal costs more than an entire chicken, which could provide several meals. A bottle of Coke costs more than 2 pints of milk. Sitting on your arse watching Sky costs more than a jog around the local park. Driving a car costs more than riding a bicycle or walking. The list is almost endless.

Poverty can be used so far as an excuse for the mess people are in, but poor choices are a much bigger blight on society. The reality is that a tiny minority of healthcare cases are those people suffering through misfortune. By far the biggest cause is poor lifestyle choices.

Why do we need to own a house in this country? Germans, and indeed many in mainland Europe, much prefer to rent than buy. In a fluid labour market why would you want to be tied down to an area by a property? You don't need to own a property to have a decent life.

Likewise with education. So tuition fees are 27k a year. If you don't think that represents good value, don't go to university. Get membership of your local library and get an education for free. Universities from around the world open up their materials for free online now. You can watch most Stanford lectures online for instance for free. If you really want to learn and educate yourself, there have never been more opportunities to do so for nothing. If you want a piece of paper saying you're smart, you can do courses provided by the many professional bodies. They're often considerably cheaper than a degree.

To blame society is a cop out when through our taxation system every single child in this country is gifted around 9,000 hours of free schooling in their lifetime. 9,000 hours and that's without any of the great free ways of learning I mentioned earlier. If kids leave school knowing diddly squat it sure as heck isn't because of a lack of opportunities for them!

Options exist if you want to pursue them, and they're a damned site better set of options than causing chaos in your local neighbourhood. As you rightly say, competition for employment is tough, no one ever said life is easy, and you could argue that it's tougher now than ever before because of the competition for jobs from overseas. Does that mean you should be entitled to a job? Does that mean you're owed one? Or does that mean you just have to roll your bloody sleeves up and work harder so that you offer employers a better prospect than your competition?

You get out of life what you put into it, and a bit less whining and more doing would serve these kids much better than stealing and setting fire to things!

Oh, and with regards to advertising, FFS some willpower please! I probably walk or cycle past 20 fast food joints on the way to work every morning, yet haven't had a burger for years. It aint that blooming difficult.

All pretty much my take on it. The fact that the vast majority of youth (no matter how bad the riots were) didn't take to the streets gives me hope that people get it.
 

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