Defending other teams corners..

Ste Stocks · January 13, 2012

Why does moyes insist on all players back!! Saha should be on the last defender ready for a counter attack. Yet it seems to be him with the headers!

Plus having 10 in and around the box is just asking for a deflected goal!!

AusTekkaz · January 13, 2012

Ste Stocks said:
Why does moyes insist on all players back!! Saha should be on the last defender ready for a counter attack. Yet it seems to be him with the headers!

Plus having 10 in and around the box is just asking for a deflected goal!!

Happened far too much this season

Azzurri · January 13, 2012

Having Saha back is good really because he's a decent headerer of the ball and makes a lot of clearences.

We just need Donovan or Drenthe standing 10 yards inside our own half and someone on the edge of the box in the gap. That way, when the ball gets cleared it won't just come straight back and we'll be able to launch a counter attack.*

*sorry for getting carried away, Everton don't counter attack.

Ste Stocks · January 13, 2012

Yeah saha is alright at heading. My point was more hes usually our lone st.

My other point is his legs are made of glass...

Royal · January 13, 2012

Azzurri said:
Having Saha back is good really because he's a decent headerer of the ball and makes a lot of clearences.

We just need Donovan or Drenthe standing 10 yards inside our own half and someone on the edge of the box in the gap. That way, when the ball gets cleared it won't just come straight back and we'll be able to launch a counter attack.*

*sorry for getting carried away, Everton don't counter attack.

I bolded the word that we don't need lid.

Azzurri · January 13, 2012

Ste Stocks said:
Yeah saha is alright at heading. My point was more hes usually our lone st.

My other point is his legs are made of glass...

Yeah but even if he did get the ball he hasn't got the legs to start a counter attack so we might as well have someone there who'll either get the ball and run with it or make themselves a nuisance to opposition players trying to lump the ball back in.

AusTekkaz · January 13, 2012

Donovan and Drenthe would be fierce on the counter

Muggins · January 13, 2012

Ste Stocks said:
Why does moyes insist on all players back!! Saha should be on the last defender ready for a counter attack. Yet it seems to be him with the headers!

Plus having 10 in and around the box is just asking for a deflected goal!!

I've said before mate. Moyes is old school. He firmly believes that strikers are only there as target men to nod the ball on and should win every single ball and head it on perfectly to a blue shirt, when in reality this theory is deeply flawed when you think of the probability of the flight of the ball, the positioning of the player, the battle with the defender, the skill involved in directing a high and powerful ball, and the positioning of team mates in relation to the ball.

He thinks Jags swinging a leg and slicing one into the crowd is a goal scoring opportunity, you can see his reaction on the touchline. Most other managers would want a striker with good composure and a better touch on the end of these 'chances'.

Same with corners mate. Why 11 back? you're effectively purposely giving possesion back to them. pointless exercise.

Azzurri · January 13, 2012

There's another theory that loads of our corners hit the first man because Moyes wants them to as a defensive technique.

Moyes thinks that if the opposition keeper catches a corner they can launch a counter attack from his throw whereas hitting the first man causes a sliced clearance at worst.

Muggins · January 13, 2012

Azzurri said:
There's another theory that loads of our corners hit the first man because Moyes wants them to as a defensive technique.

Moyes thinks that if the opposition keeper catches a corner they can launch a counter attack from his throw whereas hitting the first man causes a sliced clearance at worst.

Bizarrely that makes sense. Does that mean he doesn't like corners?

Moyes again relying on flawed probability and a 'lucky' deflection or bounce. Guerilla tactics. Scruffy but effective in the past.

2 things that pee me off about Everton. taking 2 of the 3 minutes of injury time setting up a freekick, too much pressure on Baines to deliver. And secondly, going out wide. We ALWAYS go out wide, every opportunity, every time. It's like Moyes has a secret rule that we are only ever allowed to score from crosses that are not corners. That also has flawed probability theory.

Mvflusk · January 13, 2012

Because other teams know we're one of the better teams defensively (no we really are!) and so have almost all players in or near the box. So we must do the same to prevent leaving a man unmarked. Not rocket science.

dabbo122 · January 13, 2012

If we leave 2 out then the opposition need to leave 3 out. I really don't understand why we bring everyone back as we are essentially giving the opposition 2 chances to get the ball in the box with out any pressure

Brennan · January 13, 2012

I've only seen one other team do that against us. Bolton.

You know, the team who are bottom of the league, and were playing away.

Seamus Colemole · January 13, 2012

Yeah i don't like having everyone back for a corner, especially when we are 1-0 down at home to QPR with 5 mins left.

However as we clearly have no intention of playing a counter attack game its pointless having 1 or 2 players left up the pitch when nothing is going to come from it.

Sure that just means we should attempt to try and play on the counter but we don't.

Would be interesting to see how many goals we do concede from corners and whether we concede from play coming straight back at us.