David Moyes Premier League Away Record

[Goat]

Its still a decent stat, he took 18 draws and lost only 27.

I bet no other team took that many points away.

Chelsea have lost like 1 Home game in 20 Years havent they? How many games have United lost at OT? Arse at Highbury? RS at Anal?

In Moyes We Trust

 

[Jags..class]

Its still a decent stat, he took 18 draws and lost only 27.

I bet no other team took that many points away.

Chelsea have lost like 1 Home game in 20 Years havent they? How many games have United lost at OT? Arse at Highbury? RS at Anal?

In Moyes We Trust

Rs have lost a few games at Anfield to the likes of west brom, wigan and Stoke, Moyes should have done better at Anfield but he didn't have the belief in the team to beat the rs. I'm hoping Martinez can improve our record at Anfield at least.

 

[royalblue66]

I know people on hear say forget about Moyes and his way record at the so called Sky 4 , but when we used to go to these grounds with Moyes as our manager it was always with a sense of despair, because I think most away going Evertonians thought we could have done a damn sight better and them stats will hurt for a long time, and I hope and pray Bobby will make a big difference on our future travels COYB

 

[ScouseBlueBoy]

We went expecting to lose, because we knew there with no intentions to win.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Its still a decent stat, he took 18 draws and lost only 27.

I bet no other team took that many points away.

Chelsea have lost like 1 Home game in 20 Years havent they? How many games have United lost at OT? Arse at Highbury? RS at Anal?

In Moyes We Trust

Its not a bad stat for a team near the bottom of the league like we were when he took over.

It is a bad stat for a team in the top 5-8 like we were when he left.

Would be interesting to see what his home record is like in comparison, we certainly picked up a few wins against those teams over the years at Goodison. Away is harder of course but the reason the stat is an issie is because it raises the questionm of whther we have no away win at those grounds due to them genrally being better teams than us, or was it because of the mindset and attitude we had at those grounds.

Factor in what we know about Moyes, add the fact we probably have a good away record at teams generally better than us in Man City and Spurs and that stats looks very odd.

 

[royalblue66]

Evertonians who have paid a lot of money going to tha so called Sky 4 and witnessing some dire performances under Moyes would I am sure find it harder to dismiss the stats as being o k , just going across the park to the Pit in the league was unforgivable in the way Moyes just seemed to accept it as just another game,with his negative ways and his dithering over substitutions, and the R/S always looking at it as 3 soft home points, well I for one will never forgive or forget, good riddance to him, and I am looking forward to our new manager going to them sort of places and having a go.

 

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[dead_soft]

****, Moyes didn't have a good record against the 'Big 4' away from home? Weird that it never comes up, thanks for brining my attention to it.

 

[ToffeeDan]

Its still a decent stat, he took 18 draws and lost only 27.

I bet no other team took that many points away.

Chelsea have lost like 1 Home game in 20 Years havent they? How many games have United lost at OT? Arse at Highbury? RS at Anal?

In Moyes We Trust

Home Records 2001-02 to 2012-13 (12 seasons 228 games)

Chelsea 157-51-20
Man Utd 177-28-23
Arsenal 155-49-24
Liverpool 136-63-29

HTH Head record amongst those 4 teams
Arsenal 14-14-8
Man U 23-4-9
Chelsea 17-10-9
Liverpool 13-8-15

Record of those 4 clubs against the other 16 opponents per season (over 12 seasons)

Chelsea 140-41-11
Man U 154-24-14
Liverpool 123-55-14
Arsenal 141-35-16


Total Record
Wins 558
Draws 155
Losses 55
Total Games Played 768
Points Won by Opponents 320

Opponents Average Points per game 0.416
Average over 45 games 18.75
Everton's points in 45 games 18

Chances are the greatest number of those points (320) have been won by Spurs and Man City - the rest would be somewhere below us.

For the Record

Moyes' home record vs those teams
Arsenal 3-3-5
Chelsea 3-2-6
Liverpool 3-1-7
Man U 3-2-6
Total 12-8-24 (44 points from 44 games)

Also: (Home)
Man City 7-3-1
Spurs 4-4-3
(Away)
Man City 5-1-5
Spurs 3-2-6

Home v 6 opponents 23-15-28
Away v 6 opponents 8-21-38

Home v all other opponents 90-38-19 (308 points 147 games)
Away v all other opponents 52-49-46
All other opponents 142-87-65

 

[royalblue66]

Home Records 2001-02 to 2012-13 (12 seasons 228 games)

Chelsea 157-51-20
Man Utd 177-28-23
Arsenal 155-49-24
Liverpool 136-63-29

HTH Head record amongst those 4 teams
Arsenal 14-14-8
Man U 23-4-9
Chelsea 17-10-9
Liverpool 13-8-15

Record of those 4 clubs against the other 16 opponents per season (over 12 seasons)

Chelsea 140-41-11
Man U 154-24-14
Liverpool 123-55-14
Arsenal 141-35-16


Total Record
Wins 558
Draws 155
Losses 55
Total Games Played 768
Points Won by Opponents 320

Opponents Average Points per game 0.416
Average over 45 games 18.75
Everton's points in 45 games 18

Chances are the greatest number of those points (320) have been won by Spurs and Man City - the rest would be somewhere below us.

Sorry mate you just don't get it, and the fans who have travelled around the country supporting the team will most probably agree with me, he was negative, and his dithering in decision making was unbelievable at times, and I am sorry mate, but after spending £1,000s of pounds on away days I am so so glad he has gone, and there is no way I can accept it, just my opinion like

 

[Little Ralphy]

We made it out of all those grounds alive though!

 

[ToffeeDan]

Sorry mate you just don't get it, and the fans who have travelled around the country supporting the team will most probably agree with me, he was negative, and his dithering in decision making was unbelievable at times, and I am sorry mate, but after spending £1,000s of pounds on away days I am so so glad he has gone, and there is no way I can accept it, just my opinion like

What don't I get? Perhaps you'd better enlighten me as to what opinion I offered in that data? I'm a bit confused how you can decide what I'm thinking..

 

[Goat]

What don't I get? Perhaps you'd better enlighten me as to what opinion I offered in that data? I'm a bit confused how you can decide what I'm thinking..

He thinks cos hes a super fan that hes more important than us mere mortals who dont go to every game Everton play.

Your average superfan thinks they know more abar football than every other fan, simply cos they are pyar boss.

 

[ToffeeDan]

He thinks cos hes a super fan that hes more important than us mere mortals who dont go to every game Everton play.

Your average superfan thinks they know more abar football than every other fan, simply cos they are pyar boss.

I commented on Moyes on a totally separate (non-Everton forum) about 6 hours ago. It was balanced with some negative and some positive things to say (funnily enough very much on this topic).

Here it is - FWIW:

There are good and bad points to make about Moyes. He's just shown his dithering side in the transfer market - a carbon copy of his last day antics and reluctance to take a chance - the same cautious approach that denied all but the very best of Everton's youth output a chance in the first team - examine his "much vaunted youth programme" and you'll see that the only home grown players given any sort of chance in the first team (i.e 10 or more starts) were:

Osman and Hibbert (not developed in his time)
Rooney (of course)
Rodwell
Anichebe

Spot any link - Hibbert debuted pre-Moyes - the rest are international level footballers (albeit a very late one in the case of Osman) and include the prodigious Rooney. Barkley was practically cast into the deep after 2 shocking errors in a semi-defensive role at Blackburn in early 11-12 (ffs the lad was only 17 and just back from a serious injury). Martinez has given the lad a chance and he's taken it with both hands.

His tactics - whilst they got excellent results at home (and particularly against teams below Everton in the league home and away) were cautious. It's ok-ish and the record against some better sides is indeed excellent (City, Chelsea and Spurs at home) - but not so much against most top sides away - though it is true we do force those sides (particularly by our home result against them) to give us extra respect and put their best XIs out against us hence a slightly skewed negative in the results column.

The Fellaini and Baines drama - sorry I just don't buy into this pursuit of these two players - nor the methods used. I realise he hasn't had his feet under the table very long but the worst message to send to a title winning team is that you value 2 (albeit very good players) as much as those who brought the title to Old Trafford. That's my take on it - I think Fellaini is a very good player who will need to give it 100% all the time (and he didn't always do that for Everton). If he had brought in 2 or 3 other top signings then Fellaini would be a more acceptable part of the deal. As it is Moyes has gone for his 4th or 5th choice (and maybe there's a good reason why others (including Baines) turned him down. One might be the tactics at Everton which, time and time again, tended to destroy the confidence of strikers who arrived with good reputations but were forced to subjugate that strikers instinct for the role of working hard for the team. Beattie (limited though he was), Johnson, Yakubu (after recovering from a serious injury) and then Jelavic all seemed to wilt under the pressure of expecting both hard work and the end product from the minimal number of chances offered to them. Small wonder Everton's midfield and defence contribute a high proportion of our goals under Moyes...

I've said too much already - I'd say he'll manage OK at United but is OK enough? 2-3 years and we'll see if they give him the chance to build a legacy - otherwise he may become another Wenger - get into the CL and that's about it..

Just to answer Blue------'s comments I would say this - I have been pretty content with the past 11 seasons and the football has been ok most of the time (Everton certainly never got the press they deserved at times). To be fair, having watched Everton since the end of their greatest period (the 1960s where, for the benefit of any doubt we secured MORE POINTS IN DIVISION ONE THAN ANY OTHER TEAM) - to the present day. I have not had that continuous feeling of security in our tenure in the top division (save for the period between 1984-1989 or so) and ability to challenge for major honours has never been a given for Everton, bar, as I say for those years in the 60s and the late 80s). Too many years in the lower wilderness punctuated with an occasionally very good season. So it is fair to say that Moyes gave Everton the stability - and the results - to build and look down on most of the rest of the division (with some notable half-seasons worth of exceptions). That's not great but it's as much as we could ask for given the circumstances we find the club to be in these past 10 years. I'd give him 7 and a half, maybe 8 out of 10. He'll need to get to 9 plus to do as well for United.

* should have kicked on from the progress we made and been a bit more attack minded and not settle for 1-0 or draws. Probably just content to build a legacy and be rewarded for bringing in the points and putting us in a "competitive" position - for me I'd have taken the risks and settled for 4th 8th and 9th rather than 6th-7th-6th

 

[markp]

Moyes was a keep the score down away to bigger teams type of manager,countless times he said played well for 80odd minutes only to concede late goals,rather than go to places and have real go!