Councillor: 'Disabled Children should be put down'

[roydo]

It is critical that intensive care related resources are not cut. The return on investment of a successful outcome from intensive care is huge in terms of savings for future care and eventually, hopefully, allowing the patient to return to normal life and contribute to society once more.

It is one of most complete false economies to cut intensive care provision.

So much this. Some things are beyond cuts, otherwise you end up with neither.

 

[Hibbosculturedrightboot]

It is critical that intensive care related resources are not cut. The return on investment of a successful outcome from intensive care is huge in terms of savings for future care and eventually, hopefully, allowing the patient to return to normal life and contribute to society once more.

It is one of most complete false economies to cut intensive care provision.

I have a colleague who was very senior in a Primary Care Trust in the North West. Cutting services only leads to long term problems. Arguably the biggest problems we have that CAUSE presure on the NHS are structural health inequlities and people's lifestyles - a motley consequence of people's individual choices and the way that our society is organised. I mean come one, we promote 'choice and responsibility' then have a system that promotes over consumption and giving in to our desires. Or at least makes sure there is plenty of cheap rubbish treats around!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I have a colleague who was very senior in a Primary Care Trust in the North West. Cutting services only leads to long term problems. Arguably the biggest problems we have that CAUSE presure on the NHS are structural health inequlities and people's lifestyles - a motley consequence of people's individual choices and the way that our society is organised. I mean come one, we promote 'choice, responsibility and responsibility' then have a system that promotes over consumption and giving in to our desires. Or at least makes sure there is plenty of cheap rubbish treats around!

Yep, things like poor diet are a massive cause of our health problems (as a nation). Alcohol misuse is an obvious one, but things like diabetes are going up hugely at the moment due to poor diet.

 

[davek]

Might be wrong, but I think that's where those hanging on go to, ie the most serious cases. Generally they only leave when they're gone or getting better. She was saying tonight that there's a lass who fell off her horse, with the horse landing on her. She's sadly pretty much gone as her spinal chord was knackered. They'll do a scan for any brain activity and if no signs, her support is switched off. Sad stuff. Only a young lass.

That's not to say they aren't looking to save money all over the show. The top nurse on the ward has been promoted for saving a six figure sum per month, despite that putting a whole lot of strain on the ward. It just hasn't reached the point where staff are looking at the cost benefit of keeping someone alive. That I know of anyway.

Terrible.

Intensive care is what it says though: no holds barred fight to keep people alive. It's what those units do and are assessed by. When people (usually the old) are trundled off to some ward, they're desperately ill and have no, or few, visitors, I cant imagine the fight to keep that person functioning is carried out with any intensity. Especially so in these straitened times.

 

[Jib in lad]

The NHS already has something called the care pathway which is a managed decline in your health .

And they receive financial rewards for hitting the targets .

Dont know how to post links but it was in the Telegraph.

 

[Bluenose1995]

The EU has been found out in this eurozone crisis. The stable nations imposing technocrats on the people of sovereign states. There's no way back from that. The political union is dead in the water. It'll just revert back more nakedly now into a whittled down economic bloc.

wish you was right mate but for me Merkel and her gang of technocrat cronies (barroso, rumpoy etc) are going to dig for deeper political union in the coming years I find it ironic how we hold our noses up at Middle Eastern dictatorships maybe the British people should ask themselves how exactly independant are we when our own Government is directed on what laws it can and cant enforce.

 

[davek]

The NHS already has something called the care pathway which is a managed decline in your health .

And they receive financial rewards for hitting the targets .

Dont know how to post links but it was in the Telegraph.

Wow. 'Managed decline'. There's a bit of Orwell.

 

[peteblue]

Wow. 'Managed decline'. There's a bit of Orwell.

That's what Brendans having to do.......

 

[Jib in lad]

Wow. 'Managed decline'. There's a bit of Orwell.

Tell me about it .