Cholesterol & Statins - The Great Scientific Fraud

[evilwebby]

Aside from the calories/calories out myth, the great scientific fraud of our time is that eating saturated fat and high blood cholesterol leads to heart disease.

The "science" behind the mainstream thinking is so flimsy that it doesn't bear up to scrutiny, but as this is still the theory that is promoted, a class of drugs known as Statins have been created, which are the most profitable in the history of the world. Statins are beneficial only to a select number of patients who have known heart problems. Because of the current dogma, they are are widely mis-prescribed by doctors to many patients to whom they offer no benefit, often with undesirable side-effects.

Pharmaceutical companies are not interested in the health of the public; they are interested in creating more customers to sell their drugs to. This is scientific propaganda of the highest order.

I'd urge everyone to educate themselves on this matter, and if you or anyone of your family have been prescribed statins by a doctor purely based on the aim of lowering cholesterol and do not have a history of heart problems, to seriously consider coming off of them.

 

[evilwebby]

There are some good videos on this as you might expect.

l like this one that explains Cholesterol:




Also, Australian site ABC put up an excellent 2-parter on it from Catalyst, but it caused such a rage that they were forced to pull it.

However, someone has uploaded the 2nd part of it here:

 

[witchdoc187]

Pharmaceutical companies are not interested in the health of the public; they are interested in creating more customers to sell their drugs to.

spot on there mate.

 

[magicjuan]

There's been a series on BBC2 recently, the men who made us spend, may still be on I-player, first episode mentioned the man who had to market statins back in the 60's, so they 'created' a problem it could deal with.

Biggest marketing campaign ever iirc

 

[peteblue]

If I come off these and die, my family is going to sue the arse off evilwebby........

 

[Woolly Blue]

Aside from the calories/calories out myth, the great scientific fraud of our time is that eating saturated fat and high blood cholesterol leads to heart disease.

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So what does then ? It's easy to assume there's a consiparacy somewhere, makes good TV and I don't doubt that the pharma companies have a vested interest, but that doesn't mean the medication doesn't work.

Apologies if the answer is in the videos but that's nearly two hours worth of viewing so if you could sum it up for us then I'll cheerfully dissect your arguments

 

[evilwebby]

So what does then ? It's easy to assume there's a consiparacy somewhere, makes good TV and I don't doubt that the pharma companies have a vested interest, but that doesn't mean the medication doesn't work.

Apologies if the answer is in the videos but that's nearly two hours worth of viewing so if you could sum it up for us then I'll cheerfully dissect your arguments

The alternative theory is it is caused by inflammation as a result of poor diet (refined sugars & omega6 oils) and lifestyle stress.

http://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease

 

[Pat's Van]

If I come off these and die, my family is going to sue the arse off evilwebby........

and he's fkn rolling in it by the way

(whisper it, but I hear it was him who bankrolled the Lukaku deal)

 

[WA Toffee]

Aside from the calories/calories out myth, the great scientific fraud of our time is that eating saturated fat and high blood cholesterol leads to heart disease.

The "science" behind the mainstream thinking is so flimsy that it doesn't bear up to scrutiny, but as this is still the theory that is promoted, a class of drugs known as Statins have been created, which are the most profitable in the history of the world. Statins are beneficial only to a select number of patients who have known heart problems. Because of the current dogma, they are are widely mis-prescribed by doctors to many patients to whom they offer no benefit, often with undesirable side-effects.

Pharmaceutical companies are not interested in the health of the public; they are interested in creating more customers to sell their drugs to. This is scientific propaganda of the highest order.

I'd urge everyone to educate themselves on this matter, and if you or anyone of your family have been prescribed statins by a doctor purely based on the aim of lowering cholesterol and do not have a history of heart problems, to seriously consider coming off of them.

Just out of interest, have you scrutinised the "science" yourself, or are you trusting someone else's opinion?

 

[ToffeeMark]

So I shouldn't believe drug companies but I should believe some Quack promoting his book....

I'm sorry I don't agree with this Anti-Pharma, anti-statin sentiment. Statin's have been shown to work, it has been clearly demonstrated in numerous clinical trials and is now widely accepted that they work which is why they are so successful as a drug.

 

[Moomin]

So I shouldn't believe drug companies but I should believe some Quack promoting his book....

I'm sorry I don't agree with this Anti-Pharma, anti-statin sentiment. Statin's have been shown to work, it has been clearly demonstrated in numerous clinical trials and is now widely accepted that they work which is why they are so successful as a drug.

If there is money to be made, the truth will be stretched.

 

[Simon Smith]

Got to say that 3 years ago I had a stroke. Put me in hospital for nearly a week left me with a weak right arm and leg and the feeling that you get when walking on a boat round the deck is the best way to describe it which after a few scans they still can't give me an answer to.
I'm on statins among other things. Yes I was over weight, but it wasn't because of what I eat or drink. I do as much exercise as I have always done maybe even a lil less now as I cannot ride a bike anymore due to the balance issues and my cholesterol use to be around 4.2 where as the national average was 4.5.
Now after losing 21 Kgs my last cholesterol check came back at 2.1 Yes that's right, I did say 2.1!!!!
I'm still on the statins and even taking smaller dosage blood pressure tablets now. But as far as I can say they seam to have worked for me although I still say the pressure of loosing my job and having the house taken back of me by the Northern Rock was the main cause of my stroke and nothing to do with my weight!
It's right what they say about stress,

IT'S A KILLER, NEARLY GOT ME, BUT I'M STILL HERE FIGHTING BACK A DAY AT A TIME

 

[evilwebby]

So I shouldn't believe drug companies but I should believe some Quack promoting his book....

I'm sorry I don't agree with this Anti-Pharma, anti-statin sentiment. Statin's have been shown to work, it has been clearly demonstrated in numerous clinical trials and is now widely accepted that they work which is why they are so successful as a drug.

They "work" as in they do lower your cholestrol, but there is no correlating evidence that high cholesterol and heart disease are linked. On the contrary, look at the Framinghan study for evidence that shows the very opposite - that high cholesterol is actually preventative for heart disease.

The clinical trials you mention overstate the effectiveness of statins. Anyone who believes this quackery is simply drinking the kool aid - they lower relative risk by about 20% but since the population risk is only about 5% then in real terms you are lowering 5% by 20%, reducing your risk of heart disease from 5% to 4%, so a 1% effectiveness - when you add back in the risks of the side-effects, then you get no net gain.

 

[evilwebby]

Got to say that 3 years ago I had a stroke. Put me in hospital for nearly a week left me with a weak right arm and leg and the feeling that you get when walking on a boat round the deck is the best way to describe it which after a few scans they still can't give me an answer to.
I'm on statins among other things. Yes I was over weight, but it wasn't because of what I eat or drink. I do as much exercise as I have always done maybe even a lil less now as I cannot ride a bike anymore due to the balance issues and my cholesterol use to be around 4.2 where as the national average was 4.5.
Now after losing 21 Kgs my last cholesterol check came back at 2.1 Yes that's right, I did say 2.1!!!!
I'm still on the statins and even taking smaller dosage blood pressure tablets now. But as far as I can say they seam to have worked for me although I still say the pressure of loosing my job and having the house taken back of me by the Northern Rock was the main cause of my stroke and nothing to do with my weight!
It's right what they say about stress,

IT'S A KILLER, NEARLY GOT ME, BUT I'M STILL HERE FIGHTING BACK A DAY AT A TIME

Yet 4.2 is below the supposed "danger" level of 5.0 (used to be higher, until they lowered it to create more patients), so your anecdote simply confirms what I said - there is no correlation between high cholesterol and heart disease (health complication). No doubt you are healthier now than when you were pre-stroke, but I doubt your cholesterol has much to do with it.

Statins are useful for some high risk groups who have heart complications or a history of heart disease in their family. eg, if your absolute risk is 50% due to known medical factors then lowering this by 20% would mean a 10% absolute risk reduction.. you get 10 times the benefit as compared to the standard population.. in this case the benefits outweight the risks.

 

[evilwebby]

One other thing that a lot of people don't appreciate:

Cholesterol is actually essential to healthy body and brain function. Most cholesterol in our bodies is actually manufactured (not ingested directly from diet). It is NOT the evil, good for nothing foreign substance that many people naively believe. Like with most things in the human body it is a very tightly homeostatically regulated system, and plays an essential role as the precursor to the formation of many other crucial hormones.