China vs Japan

Goat · September 18, 2012

http://imgur.com/a/Y7oIp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands_dispute

The Senkaku Islands dispute concerns a territorial dispute on a group of uninhabited islands, the Senkaku Islands, which are also known as the Diaoyu by China[1] or Tiaoyutai Islands by Taiwan.[2] The archipelago is administered by Japan, while also being claimed by both the People's Republic of China (PRC) [3] and the Republic of China (ROC).[4] Sovereignty over the islands would give the owner exclusive oil, mineral and fishing rights in surrounding waters.[5]

The United States occupied the islands from 1945 to 1972.[6] Both the PRC and Japan indicated their sovereignty claims with respect to the islands to the United Nations Security Council at the time of the U.S. transfer of its administrative powers to Japan.[7] Although the United States does not have an official position on the merits of the competing sovereignty claims,[8] the islands are included within the U.S. Japan Security Treaty meaning that a defense of the islands by Japan may compel support from the United States military.[9]

In September 2012, the Japanese government purchased three of the disputed islands from their private owner, prompting large-scale protests.[10]

This aint gonna end well.

TheFinnFan · September 18, 2012

Not gonna escalate
Too much at stake

- Bradders - · September 18, 2012

TheFinnFan said:
Not gonna escalate
Too much at stake

I wish I could believe everybody was that sensible tbh

steken1 · September 18, 2012

It's about time we started getting on the good side of the Chinese.

Get yer fake smile and dodgy handshakes over the wall sharpish Cammo.

hktoffee · September 18, 2012

I tell you what. The Japanese are still worshipping war criminals in the Yasukuni shrine. Do they ever learn? Imagine if Germany are treating Hilter, Goebbels and Himmler as heros now, what would you guys think? I have lived in England for a long period, I do not think you guys know much (or care) about the battles (WWII) in the Pacific/far east front.

As to the abovementioned issue, it was the U.S's strategy to cause more conflicts in Asia. Baseically, the U.S handed over the sovereignty of those islands to Japan in 1972 without the consent from PRC nor ROC.

Wat Tyler · September 18, 2012

Storm in a teacup.

peteblue · September 18, 2012

I've been following this for some time now and it's developing nicely. Now that China has wages starting to rise and they are pissing off most of the countries around them due to land claims, they will probably join the rest of the world in recession and then we can start to bring jobs back to the UK......... Global politics is a wonder to behold.....and the yanks get to show off their naval superiority in the South China sea.......it's going to be interesting....

hktoffee · September 18, 2012

There is an exhibition in relation to WWII in the Yasukuni shrine. Correct me if I am wrong, the said exhibition indiciates that the invasion of China by the Japanese is to liberate the country from "western invaders".

Japan has island disputes with Korea and Russia as well.

peteblue · September 18, 2012

hktoffee said:
I tell you what. The Japanese are still worshipping war criminals in the Yasukuni shrine. Do they ever learn? Imagine if Germany are treating Hilter, Goebbels and Himmler as heros now, what would you guys think? I have lived in England for a long period, I do not think you guys know much (or care) about the battles (WWII) in the Pacific/far east front.

As to the abovementioned issue, it was the U.S's strategy to cause more conflicts in Asia. Baseically, the U.S handed over the sovereignty of those islands to Japan in 1972 without the consent from PRC nor ROC.

I agree mate, but the UK do understand what happened in the pacific and indo-china. We had bases there remember. I agree with you about the stirring up of trouble, but China are seriously hacking off all of their neighbours with their claims for islands in the whole of the South China Sea.......

peteblue · September 18, 2012

hktoffee said:
There is an exhibition in relation to WWII in the Yasukuni shrine. Correct me if I am wrong, the said exhibition indiciates that the invasion of China by the Japanese is to liberate the country from "western invaders".

Japan has island disputes with Korea and Russia as well.

I agree, but China has disputes with Korea, Japan, Phillipines, Malaysia, Brunei, Taiwan...........

Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian · September 18, 2012

without sounding too ignorant, Peoples Republic of China & Republic of China ? There are 2 China's ?

peteblue · September 18, 2012

Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian said:
without sounding too ignorant, Peoples Republic of China & Republic of China ? There are 2 China's ?

China and Taiwan mate......

hktoffee · September 18, 2012

peteblue said:
I agree mate, but the UK do understand what happened in the pacific and indo-china. We had bases there remember. I agree with you about the stirring up of trouble, but China are seriously hacking off all of their neighbours with their claims for islands in the whole of the South China Sea.......

When I took the history lessons about WWII in U.K, my teachers dedicated a huge section on holocaust and the western fronts but nothing was mentioned about the battles in the far east (except the infamous Pearl Harbour of course). In fact, the Japanese had began their invasion in 1895 and the Chinese had been slaughtered by them just like what Germany did to the Jews (the case was even more severe)

I have to make it clear I don't like the communists either. No freedom of speech and no human rights etc over there. I think they should take the island disputes issues to the international court as long as it is fair and I am quite confident they have enough materials to back-up their claims.

peteblue · September 18, 2012

hktoffee said:
When I took the history lessons about WWII in U.K, my teachers dedicated a huge section on holocaust and the western fronts but nothing was mentioned about the battles in the far east (except the infamous Pearl Harbour of course). In fact, the Japanese had began their invasion in 1895 and the Chinese had been slaughtered by them just like what Germany did to the Jews (the case was even more severe)

I have to make it clear I don't like the communists either. No freedom of speech and no human rights etc over there. I think they should take the island disputes issues to the international court as long as it is fair and I am quite confident they have enough materials to back-up their claims.

Yeah, things like the rape of Nanking were particularly brutal........