Ched Evans wins appeal against conviction

[Prevenger17]

As long as it's male opinions though yeah, very sad this, never mind jess ennis, one of the greatest athletes of either gender we have ever produced, I think you should apologise to the female members on here for what you are advocating

I agree mate, but I'm not holding out much hope. I think Tommy knows he's wrong but is too proud to admit it

 

[Elong]

Treating women like objects, sad to see in this day and age.

 

[TommyDavo]

Good God don't know how these people have time to post on here, the ironing must be piling up

 

[sheedy3]

footballers having a four baller..shock horror..itsgone unreported for years&will always go on..whether rightor wrong..justice prevailed in this case

 

[Prevenger17]

Ched Evans must hang, it's the only way Britain can restore its honour

 

[GwladysPhil]

The term rape has too much of a wide context.

I think a girl sleeping with a guy when she's had a lot to drink is bad, but it's not the same as unconsentual violent rape.

I think in this case, rape and being named a rapist is too harsh, she knew what she was doing heading back to a lads hotel room after all the beak and alcohol she loved so much.

 

[Kurt.]

what was she doing out of the kitchen in the first place ?

 

[Jags..class]

The term rape has too much of a wide context.

I think a girl sleeping with a guy when she's had a lot to drink is bad, but it's not the same as unconsentual violent rape.

I think in this case, rape and being named a rapist is too harsh, she knew what she was doing heading back to a lads hotel room after all the beak and alcohol she loved so much.

She went back to the hotel with one man tho

 

[toffeenic]

Thanks for the feedback mate. I have never used the word "bribe" and that would be an unfair statement to make. I've widely read that his witnesses have been offered substantial sums of money. If thats wrong I'll happily take it back.

What I will say about the two new witnesses, is I have no idea why their evidence has even been admitted, never mind formed the basis of a re-trial. There is a law that prevents evidence being presented about past sexual behaviour accept in "exceptional circumstances". This is for good reason, not only does it lead to a horrible culture of humiliating women on the stand, but more importantly it has no relevance to the trial. I have no idea what the "exceptional" circumstances were to allow them to be heard, never mind be grounds for re-trial. It is unbelievable and I would love to know whoever granted grounds for the re-trials explanation on this basis and their explanation. I eagerly await this. At no point would I suggest they have been bribed, but it is legitimate to question said "exceptional circumstances".

I have had a look over some of the statements from the original trial. You are right to pick me up on that. I misrepresented that slightly. Evans didn't say he penetrated her while she was unconscious. He accepted that he penetrated her while not considering consent. This was the basis of the prosecution, not the woman in question.

I am very alarmed at some of the rhetoric in the aftermath of this. Evans has lost his ability to play football which has been awful for him. However we have seen people like Ennis being condemned on this site for refusing to "vilify" the woman in question. We should be under no illusions what is meant by the term "vilify" in this context.

The woman has had to move 5 times for threats of violence, rape and murder put towards her. This is because friends of Ched Evans decided to name her. Did he have anything to do with this? Social media is full of quotes saying "she deserves to be raped". For what? She is accused of lying, yet she couldn't have lied as she did;t remember what happened, he got convicted on the basis of his own statements.

So I put it back to you, you have quoted two of my posts which I have answered and clarified. I will ask you, what have you got against me challenging the sense in "vilifying" a woman. Do you think this is an acceptable course of action. Should my girlfriend be vilified because the police wouldn't pursue a case against the man who raped her and her little brother when they were children? What is it the lynch mob want?

Thanks for your post. I never mentioned the word bribe either- I was simply responding to the post that you made saying that Evans had paid £50k to the two witnesses to testify and was trying to point out that there is no evidence whatsoever that that was the case. Both witnesses have categorically denied receiving any money.

Regarding the new evidence that gave rise to the retrial and the admissibility of a complainants sexual history as evidence, you are correct that this is only allowed in very exceptional circumstances-Who knows why it was permitted in this case..However, I think one of the aspects that came out in the new evidence seemed very relevant to me and that related to the witness that said he had slept with her 2 weeks after the alleged rape and that she had woken up and completely forgotten everything that had happened the night before. They had had consensual sex and this is very similar to the pattern of events that Evans maintained happened. The other evidence regarding things she said during sex etc- I can't really see the relevance of that at all.

Regarding "vilifying" the woman,where have I made any reference to this or suggested that is in any way condonable or acceptable? Of course it is not. I am a woman myself and the thought or idea of rape terrifies me. It is the most aborhnt and heinous of crimes. The woman should be allowed to move on with her life without being subject to vile abuse. Equally so should Ched Evans. Whether people like the verdict or not, he has been found not guilty of rape and has spent over two and a half years in prison for a crime he did not commit.

I am very sorry to hear what happened to your girlfriend and her brother. It sounds truly horrendous. I hope that they are getting the support that they need to help them with what they have been through.

 

[roydo]

Think this has been done to death if I am honest.

We already have worries that stuff might be bordering on various legal situations.

Soz.